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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho
Greg Holland is one of the best relievers in baseball.
Go back 3 years. Look at whatever advanced stat you want to look at:
WAR
K rate
K:9
K:BB
FIP
You'll see Greg Holland dotting top 10s all over the place.
And even with all of that in place, I still wouldn't put him in the same territory as Papelbon, Kimbrel and Rivera because of the longevity/consistency issue.
I'd feel fine saying he's one of the 10 or so best closers in MLB.
Jim Johnson has saved a bunch of games the past year and a half. And that's a good accomplishment. But he doesn't have the high K ability to be a truly elite, lights-out closer.
Jim Johnson is good. He's effective. But he's not all that special (and I doubt he's a guy who's an above-average closer for a long period of time... groundball specialists just don't stick in that spot very often or for very long)
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Coming from the guy that said Escobar was better then Hardy if all you care about is WAR how can you say this?