View Single Post
Old 07-09-2013, 09:29 AM   #139
BucEyedPea BucEyedPea is offline
BucPatriot
 
BucEyedPea's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: None of your business
Casino cash: $7988
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigRedChief View Post
The FD ditto list has been tried for 100+ years. Our healthcare system is for shit. FD's list has failed. It has failed so miserably that we got Obamacare.
This is another bullshit cliche. We have not had that for 100 years. We've had a patchwork socialist healthcare systems starting in the 1960's or a 100 years of medical fascism. That's what you are actually observing and that's what you're complaining about. Yet, you ask for more of the same kind of solutions.

Progressives had attempted national health insurance as far back as 1912, even earlier, but this is when Teddy Roosevelt made it part of his platform. Also pushing for it were: AFL-CIO, the American Nurses Association, National Association of Social Workers, and the Socialist Party USA. Before that, the document that put us on this path was the Carnegie Foundation's Flexner Report which can only be seen and understood looking at where we are now.

However even earlier, mid 19th century, there were some incursions into markets but it was via licensing which created exclusion in health care markets toward alternative practices (competition) even though mainstream medicine included such practices as blood letting and injections of metalloid compounds which actually killed a lot people back then.

There is NO validity to the progressive-left's claim that hc markets have failed, since govt has encroached into the hc market piecemeal CAUSING today's problems. Instead markets get blamed.

It's the result of Fabian socialism at work. These guys are very patient. You're one of their useful idiots because you FAIL to recognize CAUSE and EFFECT. You IGNORE such things. Or you are seriously misinformed. You must get your information from TV like most people.


Later we get govt encroachment really stepping up with the following:
1960–Kerr-Mills Act– a Medical Assistance for the Aged (MAA) program
1962 – King-Anderson Bill –another attempt but it failed, but later was attempted again and became Medicare and Medicaid in 1965 under Johnson's Great Society agenda.
1973 – Health Maintenance Organization Act of 1973
Federal grants and loans available to HMOs, removed certain state restrictions if HMOs became federally certified, and required employers with 25 or more employees who offered standard health-insurance benefits to offer federally approved HMO plans.
( There were earlier HMO's where people were forced to join via labor unions.)
Plus thousands of mandates and regulations over time in an attempt to control costs that DID NOT WORK!
Emergency Care Mandate- I don't know when this was passed but there's a lot of illegal aliens using this service.

What were the results? Ballooning Costs!
Like I said, the above programs' expenditures were at the expense of others in the larger healthcare market—ALL who had to pay more for insurance and HC while paying taxes to support the programs. NONE of the promised costs savings happened AND the costs of all the above programs themselves NEVER materialized. They wound up costing tons more than projected. Such things ALWAYS do.


Here's a good rundown of our medical history and the rise of health "insurance" by date but it's very long:

100 Years of Medical Fascism

BTW Obamacare has all kinds of Republican ideas in it too.

There is NO SUCH THING as FREE healthcare or FREE anything.
The market will have the last say regarding costs because supply and demand still apply. So govt controlling costs is a LIE. It can only spend on one area to the expense of another area.


Healthcare is ONLY AFFORDABLE under CAPITALISM!

SOCIALISM NEVER WORKS
whether used partially in a mixed economy or fully.
__________________

Last edited by BucEyedPea; 07-09-2013 at 11:04 AM..
Posts: 57,373
BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote