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Old 11-24-2012, 07:16 AM   #10
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 View Post
I think what has helped the liberal cause more than anything is that their over zealousness has been targeted at the nut bags in the social right. That's a great populist message.
Ron Paul's followers were not all libertarians. It was a coalition of conservatives, libertarians, Independents and even some Democrats. Walter Jones even allied with Paul later, once he found out he was lied to about Iraq. That was the Freedom Fries guy.

You also paint with a broad brush. I have a commie relative who jams her Facebook wall with bashing Republicans and hailing Obama. She even links Daily Kos and Move On.org articles and puts them on the Timeline of others. The ones that were Paul supporters did none to very little of that...and there were more than a few.

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Minimalist government is an interesting direction, but absolute minimalism isn't populist and it never will be. I admire libertarians for their passion and sticking to their core beliefs. But it's not a formula that will ever win elections.
Oh really? 8 out of the 11 that Ron Paul endorsed Republican candidates were Ron Paul types, while it was moderate Republicans that lost their seats. The type of Democrats that won were more stridently leftist. Same with the Senate when Brown was replaced by Warren. This is not all bad, because the Paulies can form a coalition with these Democrats to ward off more military spending. That's the thing about having Paulies there.

In addition to that gains were made by Paul-type candidates at the state level too. The Ron Paul movement is in ascendency.

You also need to understand process. Such as the ability to form coalitions as I showed above. Then in terms of reducing the size of the govt—exactly why we have this "fiscal cliff" and deficit. Really, that's what you're supporting with your argument. More of the same. We didn't get into this massive burgeoning nanny and police state overnight, although the last ten years has dramatically sped things up. We are getting excessive law breaking by recent presidents, SC justices re-writing bills and even elsewhere. So libertarian views need to aired and considered if the direction of the country is just going to move back to a moderate amount again. Or we are finished. Process matters.

Other than that, including the gloating by the Democrats, who were far more united and excited about their candidate, the people voted for the status quo. They'd rather stick with the devil they know than choose a candidate that didn't offer much different and as seen as not having principles. In short, just your kind of guy.
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