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Originally Posted by OldSchool
The fact is this.
Dorsey is a guy who stays true to his board.
His board told him that Aaron Murray was the 163rd best player in this entire draft and a 5th round talent. Hell, 31 other teams in the league decided that Aaron Murray wasn't worth taking before the 163rd pick of the draft. If he thought that Murray was better than that or any more than a backup in this league, he would have taken him in the 3rd at the very latest. Good QBs are valued too high for teams to just allow them to slip in the draft and hope that they can get them later.
You guys keep comparing him to Drew Brees and Russel Wilson. With the success of those two in this league, do you really think that, with the amount of tape that he has, if teams honestly thought that Murray had that kind of upside, he would get passed up by every QB needy team in this league and by every team that has an aging starter?
It's a QB driven league; QBs are valued astronomically higher than most any other position and even if you already have a solid starter, a high quality back-up still has tremendous value as trade bait or an emergency starter.
It's no accident that Murray was available at the 23rd pick in the 5th round after no team sought fit to even spend a supplemental pick on him in the two rounds prior.
Let's try to temper our expectations for him.  |
This is the part of the debate that turns everything to hell.
It's a complete logical fallacy to claim Murray can't be Brees or Wilson because he was selected at the 163rd pick in the draft. You're using as examples two QBs who were passed up by every single team at least once and saying a third QB can't be those guys BECAUSE teams passed him up repeatedly. Numerous counter-examples exist to poke a hole in your theory, but if any of the legit ones are mentioned (Tom Brady is the most popular) then people like me get accused of comparing Aaron Murray to Tom Brady, which is hardly the case.
If you're going to say a QB can't play in the NFL, talk about his traits, his experience, his shortcomings, and the stuff we can work with.
Again, we're not saying "**** stats." It's absolutely true that QBs picked in higher rounds do way better than QBs picked in the lower rounds. That's not in question, but nobody is challenging that notion. Just as nobody is challenging the notion that Murray has a tough road to climb to even be considered as a starting QB for a brief amount of time, much less be a great one.
There are ALWAYS exceptions, where QBs fall farther than they should into the middle rounds, a team picks a guy up, and he has a killer career. All people are doing is saying, "Aaron Murray has as good of a chance as any of the soon-to-be washed out late round QBs to make it past backup status." Which is true. Most NFL analysts, scouts, and draft gurus are saying that Murray has some intriguing things about him that can make him not just another Curtis Painter or Ricky Stanzi. That's it.
That's what this conversation is about.