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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch
Because you can't talk about long term WAR values of what KC got but not what Milwaukee got. Jean Segura is clearly part of the Greinke deal because they got him for Greinke. They traded Cain, Escobar, Odorizzi for 2 years Zack + Jean Segura.
But let's assume you're right and we'll just invalidate Segura entirely. Let's stipulate that. So what? The Royals traded for a CF with 2.0 WAR. Their backup Dyson already has 0.8 WAR in 1/4 the at-bats. Why on Earth did we give up something so valuable as Zack to get a player who's no better than what we already have? Admit, it's a great question no?
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To your question:
Jarrod Dyson is having a nice season and provides the great D and baserunning you'd expect from him, when in the game. Cain is on pace for 4.4 bWAR or 3.5 fWAR, both impressive totals that establish him as a well-above average CF. It's unlikely Dyson could reach those totals in a full season, because some of his flaws would get exposed if playing every day (like his inability to hit lefthanded pitching).
No one evaluates trades the way you're trying to, because it becomes a convoluted exercise that tells you nothing about the trade itself. You can't track every breadcrumb that eventualizes from a trade. How would you track the value KC gets out of Odorizzi?
There's really nothing to support your assertion it was a salary dump. And there's really nothing to support continuing to blast on the trade. The Royals got two valuable, cheap, controlled, above-average everyday players back for Greinke, and another piece was used as collateral elsewhere.
Like I said, Moore has made plenty of mistakes. Hammering on the Greinke deal is just dumb, really. There's nothing wrong with the return received there.