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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho
Lance Lynn had more Ws last year than Justin Verlander. Does that make him a better pitcher?
Ws, Ss, Rs, RBI.... all stats that are dependent on teammates.
It's nice Jim Johnson saved 50+ last year... but he still doesn't stack up well in advanced value measurements (23rd overall in 2012). He's saving a ton of games because he's getting a ton of opportunities. You can put a lot of other closers in that spot and get the same (or better) results.
Holland is better at every aspect of pitching except for limiting walks (he walks about 2x as many guys as Johnson but strikes out 2.5x as many guys). He crushes Johnson in a lot of the key metrics for relievers (K:9, K:rate, xFIP). And I mean crushes. As in "not close."
But still, it's not what was really funny about your statement. It was including ALL of those guys with the likes of Rivera and Papelbon and Kimbrel. Most of them are at least having seasons that put them in elite territory. Johnson is not.
Lots of guys have had seasons where they were brilliant before falling off. Time will tell if guys like Grilli, Mujica, Reed, etc. can sustain it. That's what separates guys like Papelbon, Kimbrel and Rivera.
Greg Holland is an excellent reliever. Only Jon Papelbon and Kimbrel have contributed more WAR since 2011, when both Johnson and Holland seem to have found their stride. Mariano Rivera is likely above him as well, without the injury last season.
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Not getting into this with you. Just a heads up Johnson not a SO pitcher so i really don't care about that stat. Most GM in baseball would take Johnson over Holland. Gotta love Royal fans got the best player at every position yet every year still 15 to 20 games under .500.