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Old 09-26-2013, 03:25 PM   #815
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http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2013/9...chiefs-offense

some numbers to chew on from arrowhead pride







There's a nice breakdown of our defense against philly over there as well:
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/9/2...p-kelly-eagles


Wonder how many people read the commentary after the article...


Burden of Persuasion


The writer of the post has the burden of persuasion, as s/he does for any argument. Even factually accurate statistics can be misleading when (a) a small sample size is used, (b) end-points are carefully selected, or © they are taken out of context. But when such white-lie dishonesty still doesn’t make the point the writer wants to make, to resort to subtracting points from the Chiefs’ offense while not subtracting it from any other team’s numbers, and then comparing the modified Chiefs to the unmodified others, that’s a dishonesty of the bald-faced variety.

It was the poster’s lie, not mine. Catching the lie and holding the poster accountable for telling it advances the discussion enough to be useful; the burden isn’t on me (or any of the other several readers who caught the lie) to also go back through the numbers to tell the actual truth. To require one of us to do so would be to require us to accept the poster’s premise, which I don’t. When the defense scores points, the offense doesn’t have to, and the coaches game plan (more conservatively) accordingly. So rather than comparing teams on a dishonest measure of a relatively unimportant stat, I’m more more interested in comparing teams based on advanced stats like ToP/dr. ToP/dr is basically a measure of how successful the Chiefs’ offense was in each of the game contexts it found itself in. And in that stat, they are in the top half, and nearly the top third. This is also why Football Outsiders advanced stats rank the Chiefs’ offense in the top half of the league.

by johnbenjaminmoore on Sep 26, 2013 | 8:58 AM⬆up↩reply
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