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Originally Posted by Dartgod
OK, this is kind of a weird sequence at the end of the first half of my second game.
Provo
2nd Q 2:00 1st and 10 Provo 25 Joseph Addai rushes for -1 yards.
2nd Q 1:18 2nd and 11 Provo 24 Bruce Miller rushes for 0 yards.
2nd Q 0:28 3rd and 11 Provo 24 Bruce Miller rushes for 6 yards. PENALTY. Neutral Zone Infraction on Tommy Kelly. 5 yards. Penalty declined. time out Columbia
2nd Q 0:20 4th and 5 Provo 30 Ben Roethlisberger fumbles snap Recorved by Provo Turned over on downs
Columbia 14, Provo 3
Columbia
2nd Q 0:10 1st and 10 Provo 30 Ryan Fitzpatrick (pressured) passes complete to Vincent Jackson for a gain of 25 yards. time out Columbia
2nd Q 0:02 1st and goal Provo 5 Mike Nugent field goal attempt from 22 yards. Good.
Columbia 17, Provo 3
First of all, why did Provo decline the penaly on 3rd and 11 and then why would we go for it on 4th and 5 from our own 30? It ended up costing me 3 points which happened to be the marging of victory for Columbia.
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Hmm, the logic on the penalty was probably that the yards gained were greater than the yards of the penalty. But you're right in that it didn't account for the benefit of getting another down. We may need a tweak in the logic to account for that.
I'd never thought about it, but if you have a neutral zone/offsides penalty on a play where you gain more than 5 yards, but less than the first down, when do you take it? What's your opinion on the following scenarios?
Assume it's 1st or 2nd down and 10 and you get the offsides call after the play is run.
You gain 5 yards or less - You obviously take the penalty.
You gain 6 yards - take or decline?
You gain 7 yards - take or decline?
You gain 8 yards - take or decline?
You gain 9 yards - take or decline?
You gain 10 yards or more - You obviously decline the penalty
Now, if it's third down I think you always take the penalty if you didn't get the first down, so in your specific case it's straightforward. So it seems like we need a different logic for 1st and 2nd down compared to 3rd down, right?
With regard to the 4th down call, it looks like Ben was just trying to run out the clock and fumbled. Shades of Phillip Rivers against the Chiefs last year. It seems like the call was correct, but you just need to work on your C-QB exchange.