[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by BossChief

I see what you are saying, but I also have always thought a qb does factor in to a defense and running game.

Denvers running game has ALWAYS been productive, so dont use that as an excuse...they have always maintained a good oline and that has enabled them to be productive through many running backs, it has also helped them keep their qbs healthy and productive.

The defense played better when the team held the persona of a contender...I always believed Cutler to be immature and not a great "TEAM leader" the defense he was handed was just fine, a top unit .

Just more for Jake to laugh about.

MS should never have had power over defensive personel or else they would still have players such as Trevor Pryce and would have gotten a Al Wilson replacement when he wasnt brought back, especially when Vilma became available. Lets not even talk about how he basicaly gave away Lynchs position, not due to competition.

Jake Plummer took a Cardinals team to the playoffs remember? They surely didnt have a top defense.

some qbs DEFINATLY effect their defenses play whether it be by attitude, field position, level of leadership, matureness, etc.

Add that alltogether and you have a leader of a team that got worse the longer he lead it.

In this respect I believe Orton will be much better for the team...I am willing to wager their defense will get better each year he is the qb.

Not saying it plays as big a part as a coach, or elite players or general talent across the board...just saying an immature qb such as JC doesnt instill massive confidence like a fearless gunslinger like Plummer did...I remember Broncos fans proclaiming him the next Elway too. That guy had a moxie that Cutler might never have...

Enh, I don't buy the notion that your QB affects how your defense performs... look at the ravens and there are several other examples.

And, look at the production on defense and in the ground game during the 3 years with Plummer and the 2 with Cutler.

Under Plummer, they always had over 2k rushing as a team... they never reached that mark with Cutler and the defense fell off statistically as well.

I can't explain it, other than to say Shanahan became a madman with RBs... trading or moving any that topped 1,000 yards rushing, starting with Portis - look it up. Defensively, they're poor performance had more to do with the revolving door at Def Coordinator and failed high $ FAs than the QB.

Originally Posted by Bwana

And the hits keep coming.

Enh, this is nothing really... other than a sign that it's a slow week in sports.