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Originally Posted by WhiteWhale
1. Han is a deadbeat dad and husband. Estranged? Han ran away when he didn't want to confront his son and abandoned his wife AND his son. Not impressed.
2. Yes, Luke tried to murder his SLEEPING TEENAGE NEPHEW and then ran away and hid while he waited for death. That is cowardice. I don't see any alternative way to interpret it. He was disillusioned by his own self hatred... because Jake Skywalker knows he's a coward.
3. Yes Finn acted bravely at the end of both films. That was his arc... he starts out timid and defers to others. Eventually the influence of strong women (Rey in TFA and Rose in TLJ) makes him discover his inner bravery. I thought it was interesting in the first movie (bravery often comes from a desire to protect those we care about), but to see him totally reset in TLJ as if that character growth NEVER HAPPENED only to do it all over again was obnoxiously redundant. Especially since you could have removed Finn/Rose and their story from TLJ with almost no actual impact on the story. Finn was the best and most well developed character in TFA, and they wasted him badly in TLJ.
This isn't avast conspiracy dude. IT's subtext... something you find in every single movie ever made.
Did you notice that The Dark Knight trilogy was about the war on terrorism and the need to fight dangerous ideas with physical violence? That's also not a conspiracy. IT's just subtext.
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Meh. Where you see an attempt to tear down men to prop up women, I just see shitty writing, contrived attempts at producing conflict, and recycled character arcs.
You make a great point about Luke. He was a coward. He was disillusioned by the guilt he felt after trying to murder his nephew.. But that whole arc makes no ****ing sense. That is so completely out of Luke's character, I can't even fathom why they thought it'd be a good idea to include it (I can actually- shitty writing). This is the man who had every chance to kill Vader and refused to because he saw the good in him.
It's hella contrived. They knew they needed a way to get Luke out of the picture, otherwise he'd just deal with Snoke and the First Order by himself. It's not that they wanted to emasculate him because feminism. They just needed an excuse to reduce his role or there'd be no story.
I disagree with your thoughts on Finn, though. He may have started his arc as timid, but that only makes sense. He had just defected and was probably unsure of his position. Plus, he was a stormtrooper. Of course he'd have a natural inclination to defer to others.
But he's been pretty brave for quite a while now. Aside from his shining moments at the ends of both movies, he's had taser club showdowns with two high-ranking stormtroopers and basically spent half of TLJ undercover
on the enemy battle cruiser. Finn's a pretty brave dude.