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Originally Posted by xztop12
The left picture is gyno from what i'm assuming is many cycles at high doses. Gyno typically doesn't present after one cycle or a low dosage of mild steroids. The guy was using heavy stuff.
For example Bonds was using a substance called Trenbolone which is actually stronger than the cycles Arnold would have used in his day, heh
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Arnold probably used d-bol and possibly anadrol which is stronger than tren.
Some guys can get gyno from their very first cycle. It all depends on a lot of factors like how their body handles the test to estro conversion rate and if they are running something to control that. But Cushing def has gyno in the first pic and while some guys get that naturally, it's usually only fat guys who have higher than normal estrogen levels.
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I'd venture a guess that Cush has been using roids since high school. He's a white boy, his athletic ability(natural) is probably division II. But on top of taking roids, you have to be a diligent worker, because roids wont do crap on their own. And he was not average in college, he was a standout, and was drafted accordingly.
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Actually anabolics do do crap "on their own". When you start talking about manipulating the endocrine system that doesn't have anything to do with training. I've known guys who did high doses of test with T3 and ate KFC and got lean as hell without doing cardio. Cushing, from everything I know, is a very hard worker. But he's not an NFL caliber player (or at least first rounder) without anabolics.
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Their effects can actually have profound influence on the muscle far after the steroids are out. IE:muscle memory and the sort.
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Muscle memory has nothing to do with anabolics, however you are right about the former part. Some studies has shown that guys who used high dose cycles for long periods do in fact change some physiological factors in their bodies. In other words, if you run anabolics for long enough and then go natural, you'll still have an advantage you didn't have had you never used them.
Guys like Merriman and Cushing were pretty average college players IMO. I was shocked when Merriman weighed in at the combine and what he did his first two years. At Maryland he was a solid player, but not great.