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Old 05-30-2014, 07:17 AM   #214
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Keep believing those lies, patty.

As for number two, how convenient they would believe the British instead of our own CIA. I wonder why. Oh, yea, the CIA told them it was untrue, but Bush wanted a war, so went with the Lie, knowing rubes like you would believe some stench about the British.
Given the failures of our CIA when it comes to Iraq, not just at the turn of the century, but also a decade before when Saddam invaded Kuwait, it probably wasn't a bad idea to get a second opinion. In any event, Bush clearly attributed that intel to the British and the British determined that Bush's statement was "well founded".

What you don't seem to understand is that there are almost always dissenting opinions when it comes to intelligence analysis and you can't simply point to those dissents after the fact and conclude that lies were told.

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There are 8 other lies in that article as well.

Patty, defending the lies of Bush well after he left office.

Here, don't be lazy... unskew these lies for us as well.

LIE #3: "We believe [Saddam] has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons." -- Vice President Cheney on March 16, 2003 on "Meet the Press."

FACT: There was and is absolutely zero basis for this statement. CIA reports up through 2002 showed no evidence of an Iraqi nuclear weapons program.
This is false. From the October 2002 NIE:
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Since inspections ended in 1998, Iraq has maintained its chemical weapons effort, energized its missile program, and invested more heavily in biological weapons; in the view of most agencies, Baghdad is reconstituting its nuclear weapons program
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LIE #7: "We have seen intelligence over many months that they have chemical and biological weapons, and that they have dispersed them and that they're weaponized and that, in one case at least, the command and control arrangements have been established." -- President Bush, Feb. 8, 2003, in a national radio address.

FACT: Despite a massive nationwide search by U.S. and British forces, there are no signs, traces or examples of chemical weapons being deployed in the field, or anywhere else during the war.
That's not a lie either. The notorious informant known as Curveball alone was the source of enough of this type of intel to prove that this claim was true. That the intelligence turned out to be wrong doesn't change that.

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LIE #9: "We know where [Iraq's WMD] are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south, and north somewhat." -- Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, March 30, 2003, in statements to the press.

FACT: Needless to say, no such weapons were found, not to the east, west, south or north, somewhat or otherwise.
This is just a dumb one. And even if it were a real lie, which it isn't, it can't possibly be the kind of lie that led us into war because it happened after we'd already invaded.
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