You will be reading an article like this about Sims next year...

shaneo69 · 02-24-2005, 08:50 PM

Warren doesn't fit in Crennel's 3-4 scheme
By Len Pasquarelli, ESPN.com

INDIANAPOLIS -- The Cleveland Browns have a new head coach and a new defensive scheme and it appears that combination means Gerard Warren will have a new home for the 2005 season.

The four-year veteran defensive tackle, who many feel has not fulfilled the potential that made him the third player chosen overall in the 2001 draft, has been granted permission to discuss possible trade scenarios with other franchises, ESPN.com has learned. Team officials, sources told ESPN.com, went so far as to apprise Warren and his agent via letter that they were free to seek out deals.

Gerard Warren's 2004 SEASON STATISTICS
Tot Ast Solo FF Sack Int
19 15 4 2 4 0

It is believed that agent Joel Segal has already received interest from several teams and will meet with officials from those clubs this weekend at the annual combine workouts being held here. Several general managers quickly surveyed here on Thursday evening acknowledged they would at least explore a possible trade for Warren.

"Has he been everything he was advertised to be coming out (of college)?" asked one general manager. "Hell, no, he hasn't. But he's still a 300-pound guy who can be very active at times. Go shake a tree and see how many of those kinds of guys fall out."

In such circumstances, a player's agent typically seeks out suitors, and then tells the incumbent club about any interest he generates. Permission to seek a trade does not often result in a deal but Warren could draw considerable interest, even given the perception he has frequently underachieved. It is not known what the Browns would seek in return for Warren, who has only one year remaining on his contract.

While it is not certain if Cleveland will release Warren should a trade not be completed, that is a strong likelihood, particularly with the direction of the defense under first-year head coach Romeo Crennel.

Cleveland will attempt to switch in 2005 to the 3-4 defensive front that Crennel favored during his stretch as the New England Patriots defensive coordinator. That switch alone jeopardized Warren's stint in Cleveland, since the former University of Florida standout is more a 4-3 interior player, and probably not suited to playing at nose tackle in a three-man front. Neither was it likely that Warren could have made the switch to end in a 3-4.

Often criticized because his modest statistics never approximated the huge investment that Cleveland had in him, Warren, nicknamed "Big Money," nonetheless will have value in the market.

Warren, 26, has appeared in 60 games and started all but one of them. He has recorded 152 tackles, 10½ sacks, four forced fumbles and nine passes defensed.

Len Pasquarelli is a senior NFL writer for ESPN.com.

StcChief · 02-24-2005, 09:42 PM

Will see... Sounds like it could be Sims in '06....

Deberg_1990 · 02-24-2005, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by nm_dbf

Will see... Sounds like it could be Sims in '06....

I fear your right. Whats sad is, guys like Sims and Warren will always have jobs in the NFL now matter how lazy they are. Some team is always looking for a wide body to clog up the middle.

**petegz28** · 02-24-2005, 09:47 PM

I am only willing to give Sims some slack because I don't think he ever fully healed after the Baltimore game. He was off to a better start this season. However Siavi or Browning are just fine with me.

htismaqe · 02-24-2005, 09:49 PM

I don't know about Warren. If someone could motivate him he could be a force.

nychief · 02-24-2005, 09:49 PM

you took the word out of my mouth.

**alanm** · 02-25-2005, 06:26 AM

You mean there's a GM out there who has a worse eye for Defensive tackle talent than Carl? Hard to believe.

Amnorix · 02-25-2005, 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by alanm

You mean there's a GM out there who has a worse eye for Defensive tackle talent than Carl? Hard to believe.

Definitely the Browns. Warren and Courtney Brown are both top 5 in the NFL in terms of their cap numbers at the defensive line position. It's killing them.

htismaqe · 02-25-2005, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by alanm

You mean there's a GM out there who has a worse eye for Defensive tackle talent than Carl? Hard to believe.

Look at the last 10 years of the draft. No position, save maybe QB, has had more disappointments in the top 15 than DT.

whoman69 · 02-25-2005, 08:40 AM

The biggest difference between Warren and Sims is that Warren is the highest paid tackle in football. I think this is make or break year for Sims. If he cannot prosper with a year under his belt in Gun's scheme, he is gone.

bkkcoh · 02-25-2005, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Look at the last 10 years of the draft. No position, save maybe QB, has had more disappointments in the top 15 than DT.

Hey now, Carl got Green with the 1st round choice.... That was pretty good...

Chiefnj · 02-25-2005, 08:59 AM

Romeo comes in with his staff and realizes the guy is a disappointment and tries to move the player. The Chiefs say - give him 3 more years, you can't beat his attitude in the midst of a 5 game losing streak...

htismaqe · 02-25-2005, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by bkkcoh

Hey now, Carl got Green with the 1st round choice.... That was pretty good...

I was talking about drafted players.

Only QB's drafted in the top 15 over the last 10 years have a higher percentage of failure than DT's.

My guess is that agile 300-pound guys are so rare that these guys don't feel they have anything to prove...

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shaneo69 Smug Weasel Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Bleachers at Busch Casino cash: $10004900	You will be reading an article like this about Sims next year... Warren doesn't fit in Crennel's 3-4 scheme By Len Pasquarelli, ESPN.com INDIANAPOLIS -- The Cleveland Browns have a new head coach and a new defensive scheme and it appears that combination means Gerard Warren will have a new home for the 2005 season. The four-year veteran defensive tackle, who many feel has not fulfilled the potential that made him the third player chosen overall in the 2001 draft, has been granted permission to discuss possible trade scenarios with other franchises, ESPN.com has learned. Team officials, sources told ESPN.com, went so far as to apprise Warren and his agent via letter that they were free to seek out deals. Gerard Warren's 2004 SEASON STATISTICS Tot Ast Solo FF Sack Int 19 15 4 2 4 0 It is believed that agent Joel Segal has already received interest from several teams and will meet with officials from those clubs this weekend at the annual combine workouts being held here. Several general managers quickly surveyed here on Thursday evening acknowledged they would at least explore a possible trade for Warren. "Has he been everything he was advertised to be coming out (of college)?" asked one general manager. "Hell, no, he hasn't. But he's still a 300-pound guy who can be very active at times. Go shake a tree and see how many of those kinds of guys fall out." In such circumstances, a player's agent typically seeks out suitors, and then tells the incumbent club about any interest he generates. Permission to seek a trade does not often result in a deal but Warren could draw considerable interest, even given the perception he has frequently underachieved. It is not known what the Browns would seek in return for Warren, who has only one year remaining on his contract. While it is not certain if Cleveland will release Warren should a trade not be completed, that is a strong likelihood, particularly with the direction of the defense under first-year head coach Romeo Crennel. Cleveland will attempt to switch in 2005 to the 3-4 defensive front that Crennel favored during his stretch as the New England Patriots defensive coordinator. That switch alone jeopardized Warren's stint in Cleveland, since the former University of Florida standout is more a 4-3 interior player, and probably not suited to playing at nose tackle in a three-man front. Neither was it likely that Warren could have made the switch to end in a 3-4. Often criticized because his modest statistics never approximated the huge investment that Cleveland had in him, Warren, nicknamed "Big Money," nonetheless will have value in the market. Warren, 26, has appeared in 60 games and started all but one of them. He has recorded 152 tackles, 10½ sacks, four forced fumbles and nine passes defensed. Len Pasquarelli is a senior NFL writer for ESPN.com.
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