We should trade for Patrick Ramsey - Page 4

Red Dawg · 09-12-2005, 05:04 PM

ESPN just said that he has been benched and asked to be traded. Why not make a deal for him? He's young, strong arm and really has suffered being on a poor team behind a poor line.

Would be good move for the future

Mecca · 09-13-2005, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan

Trade woods, Huard and Junior.

Woods and Siavii are here for this year, the salary cap makes it work that way. Woods would already be gone if it was doable, so of course it's not.

Are you guys wanting to trade for Ramsey during this season or after the season is over? I'm not sure he can fit under our cap to do it before the year's over. He does have a first round pick contract.

huskerdooz · 09-13-2005, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Frankie

I wonder if they could use Woods and say a 6th for Ramsey. Then we can sign Harts maybe to take Woods' place.

Won't happen, too big of a cap hit.

Frankie · 09-13-2005, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by huskerdooz

Won't happen, too big of a cap hit.

Can't the Redskins agree to assuming Woods' contract while we assume Ramsey's?

Mecca · 09-13-2005, 07:40 AM

No, when you've given a player a signing bonus, when you cut or trade him you take that entire prorated hit when he is removed from your team.

**Mr. Kotter** · 09-13-2005, 07:40 AM

If we could do it, I think he'd be an improvement over what we have behind Green. However, cap issues and "middle of the season" concerns won't allow it to happen.

jspchief · 09-13-2005, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Frankie

Can't the Redskins agree to assuming Woods' contract while we assume Ramsey's?

Yes and no.

They can assume the contract, which will erase his base from our cap. But they can't assume the cap hit created by the pro-rated siging bonus that we paid out two years ago. Woods' pro-rated bonus would dump about 4 million on our cap.

Frankie · 09-13-2005, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

Yes and no.

They can assume the contract, which will erase his base from our cap. But they can't assume the cap hit created by the pro-rated siging bonus that we paid out two years ago. Woods' pro-rated bonus would dump about 4 million on our cap.

What's Ramsey's bonus? Do we know?

Mecca · 09-13-2005, 07:59 AM

Ramseys bonus isn't an issue to us that's the Skins issue. If we were gonna take him on, it would be his base salary that's the issue.

When you trade you lose the players base salary but the prorated bonus becomes a hit to your cap. When you take on a player in a trade you get nothing of the bonus but take on the base salary.

StcChief · 09-13-2005, 08:09 AM

the two picks we got for Fujita would be about it.

Frankie · 09-13-2005, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Ramseys bonus isn't an issue to us that's the Skins issue. If we were gonna take him on, it would be his base salary that's the issue.

When you trade you lose the players base salary but the prorated bonus becomes a hit to your cap. When you take on a player in a trade you get nothing of the bonus but take on the base salary.

I admit I'm a bit confused here. Can't the two teams switch the existing bonuses with the agreement of both players? Ramsey wants out of DC and Woods wants out of KC. Why wouldn't they cooperate?

Mecca · 09-13-2005, 08:14 AM

No, there is no way to change bonus money the team is stuck with that. The only way would be if the player paid back the bonus to the team and well that won't happen.

Hoover · 09-13-2005, 08:16 AM

Before you make a deal like this you have to know what is going to take place after DV leaves. If Saunders is going to be HC, then it makes a ton of sence, if thats not the case I don't want to see the Chiefs trading draft picks for a guy when we don't know what the next HC wants.

If its me you make Saunders the HC, give Gun a ton of $$$ to stay, make the trade for Ramsey. We could retool very quickly on offense, and continue the build up on defense.

We need to invest some FA cash and high draft picks on the Oline, and at WR. I still think you have to go Defense in the first round next year. A D lineman, CB would be prefered by Hoover

Frankie · 09-13-2005, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

No, there is no way to change bonus money the team is stuck with that. The only way would be if the player paid back the bonus to the team and well that won't happen.

So conceivably, they could agree to pay it back and receive the same amount from the other team. Right?

Frankie · 09-13-2005, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Hoover

Before you make a deal like this you have to know what is going to take place after DV leaves. If Saunders is going to be HC, then it makes a ton of sence, if thats not the case I don't want to see the Chiefs trading draft picks for a guy when we don't know what the next HC wants.

If its me you make Saunders the HC, give Gun a ton of $$$ to stay, make the trade for Ramsey. We could retool very quickly on offense, and continue the build up on defense.

We need to invest some FA cash and high draft picks on the Oline, and at WR. I still think you have to go Defense in the first round next year. A D lineman, CB would be prefered by Hoover

Very good post. Rep.

Soupnazi · 09-13-2005, 09:52 AM

No thanks.

Todd Collins > Patrick Ramsey

Virtually any 1st or 2nd round QBOTF pick > Ramsey

The guy can't keep the starting job over an aged and hobbled Mark Brunell. He's a terrible decision maker from what I've seen.

09-12-2005, 05:04 PM
Red Dawg Going home eventually Join Date: Dec 2002 Casino cash: $1422858	We should trade for Patrick Ramsey ESPN just said that he has been benched and asked to be traded. Why not make a deal for him? He's young, strong arm and really has suffered being on a poor team behind a poor line. Would be good move for the future
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09-13-2005, 07:40 AM	#49
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Mr. Kotter The Dude Abides Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Dakota Country Casino cash: $3374285	If we could do it, I think he'd be an improvement over what we have behind Green. However, cap issues and "middle of the season" concerns won't allow it to happen. __________________ "I've always said I worry about legacy and winning rings more than making money at this moment...We see what's going on around the league, but at the same time, I'll never do anything that's going to hurt us from keeping the great players around me.”
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09-13-2005, 07:59 AM	#53
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-532950	Ramseys bonus isn't an issue to us that's the Skins issue. If we were gonna take him on, it would be his base salary that's the issue. When you trade you lose the players base salary but the prorated bonus becomes a hit to your cap. When you take on a player in a trade you get nothing of the bonus but take on the base salary.
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09-13-2005, 08:14 AM	#56
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-532950	No, there is no way to change bonus money the team is stuck with that. The only way would be if the player paid back the bonus to the team and well that won't happen.
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09-13-2005, 08:16 AM	#57
Hoover Rufus Dawes Jr. Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $-1961821	Before you make a deal like this you have to know what is going to take place after DV leaves. If Saunders is going to be HC, then it makes a ton of sence, if thats not the case I don't want to see the Chiefs trading draft picks for a guy when we don't know what the next HC wants. If its me you make Saunders the HC, give Gun a ton of $$$ to stay, make the trade for Ramsey. We could retool very quickly on offense, and continue the build up on defense. We need to invest some FA cash and high draft picks on the Oline, and at WR. I still think you have to go Defense in the first round next year. A D lineman, CB would be prefered by Hoover
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09-13-2005, 09:52 AM	#60
Soupnazi Totally yummy Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: The kitchen @ River Falls Casino cash: $10006400	No thanks. Todd Collins > Patrick Ramsey Virtually any 1st or 2nd round QBOTF pick > Ramsey The guy can't keep the starting job over an aged and hobbled Mark Brunell. He's a terrible decision maker from what I've seen.
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