LET GUN FINISH WHAT HE STARTED - Page 4

sedated · 01:43 PM

In the final 8 games,

against 4 playoff teams:
NE - 7th in total Offense,
DEN - 5th in total Offense,
@ NYG - 4th in total Offense,
CIN - 6th in total Ofense

and 2 that were in the playoff race:
SD - 10th in total Offense,
@ DAL - 13th in total Offense

our Defense ranked 12th in NFL.

"First you take their heart, then you take their soul"

Isn't this what we all wished for in '02, '03, and '04?

Why doesn't anyone blame the offense for the eggs they laid against Buffalo, Denver (1st game) and Giants?

Hog Rider · 01-12-2006, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by SideWinder

I've been busy.

Stats on Gunther.
You'll have to ask Parker for the link.

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Originally Posted by htismaqe
100% false. He's had ONE season where his defense finished top 10 in both yards and point allowed. ONE.

Year - Points Allowed - Yards Allowed
Chiefs
2005 - 16th - 25th
2004 - 29th - 31st

Chiefs
1998 - 22nd - 9th
1997 - 1st - 15th
1996 - 11th - 17th
1955 - 1st - 4th

Raiders
1994 - 17th - 12th
1993 - 21st - 10th
1992 - 11th - 8th
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So, it appears, since Stenerud missed the overtime field goals against Miami, The Chiefs defense has basically sucked - save for one year.

And even though 60% of the current players apparently suck, a new DC would provide a huge lift by leaving tooth marks on their arses.

Or: Gun and the players suck, but we want a DC that doesn't suck - until we are ranked 24th in defense next year, then he will suck too.

Man, I wish all these guys were women with all the suckin' goin' around

They'd probably suck at that too!!

SLAG · 01-12-2006, 08:23 PM

From what I understand Herm Kept Gun based on the Players Request

Hog Rider · 01-12-2006, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SLAG02

From what I understand Herm Kept Gun based on the Players Request

That, I'm sure was part of it.

sedated · 01-12-2006, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by SideWinder

So, then, according to you after having watched every one of their games, their defense isn't as good as their numbers?

exactly.

look at their schedule

milkman · 01-12-2006, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by sedated

exactly.

look at their schedule

But you clearly have to be wrong, since numbers aren't arbitrary.

sedated · 01-12-2006, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SideWinder

But you clearly have to be wrong, since numbers aren't arbitrary.

an intelligent fan knows to look at the name of the team next to the numbers

milkman · 01-12-2006, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by sedated

an intelligent fan knows to look at the name of the team next to the numbers

So an intelligent fan can use their dicretion to determine that the numbers aren't really indicative of a team's true performance?

sedated · 01-12-2006, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by SideWinder

So an intelligent fan can use their dicretion to determine that the numbers aren't really indicative of a team's true performance?

yes, an intelligent fan can look at the statistics I displayed and see that the Chiefs played good defense at the end of the season against good offenses.

the same intelligent fan can look at the good numbers the colts showed on defense, but look at the defenses they played and discredit those numbers.

**HemiEd** · 01-12-2006, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SLAG02

From what I understand Herm Kept Gun based on the Players Request

I hope not, that has been a miserable failure approach twice before.

**the Talking Can** · 01-12-2006, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by sedated

yes, an intelligent fan can look at the statistics I displayed and see that the Chiefs played good defense at the end of the season against good offenses.

the same intelligent fan can look at the good numbers the colts showed on defense, but look at the defenses they played and discredit those numbers.

intelligent is yiddish for "homer"...

milkman · 01-12-2006, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by sedated

yes, an intelligent fan can look at the statistics I displayed and see that the Chiefs played good defense at the end of the season against good offenses.

the same intelligent fan can look at the good numbers the colts showed on defense, but look at the defenses they played and discredit those numbers.

So, by your own admission, thos numbers are arbitrary.

http://m-w.com/dictionary/arbitrary

sedated · 01-12-2006, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

intelligent is yiddish for "homer"...

ChiefsCountry · 01-12-2006, 09:24 PM

First of all, why in the hell do we look at yards allowed? It doesnt mean shit. The only defense stat that matters is points allowed.

jspchief · 01-12-2006, 11:08 PM

In regards to the "never improved two years in a row", I'm not convinced that's an accurate benchmark of Gun's ability to build a D. It's looking at stats in a vacuum, ignoring any details that may have accompanied the situation. What role did injuries and player turnover play?

As someone else mentioned, Several of the times Gun's D got "worse" it was following a year when they were first in the league. They had nowhere to go but down.

Also previously mentioned, Gun has never had to build a D up from rock bottom, so previous examples aren't comparable situations.

I'm not a Gun homer, and I'm not convinced he'll get this turned around. But so far most of the arguments against him being able to are pretty weak IMO.

01-12-2006, 01:31 PM
sedated Like I woke up in Wonderland.. Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: KCMO Casino cash: $896558	LET GUN FINISH WHAT HE STARTED In the final 8 games, against 4 playoff teams: NE - 7th in total Offense, DEN - 5th in total Offense, @ NYG - 4th in total Offense, CIN - 6th in total Ofense and 2 that were in the playoff race: SD - 10th in total Offense, @ DAL - 13th in total Offense our Defense ranked 12th in NFL. "First you take their heart, then you take their soul" Isn't this what we all wished for in '02, '03, and '04? Why doesn't anyone blame the offense for the eggs they laid against Buffalo, Denver (1st game) and Giants? Last edited by sedated; 01-12-2006 at 01:43 PM..
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01-12-2006, 11:08 PM	#59
jspchief BAMF Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Your Face Casino cash: $9998710	In regards to the "never improved two years in a row", I'm not convinced that's an accurate benchmark of Gun's ability to build a D. It's looking at stats in a vacuum, ignoring any details that may have accompanied the situation. What role did injuries and player turnover play? As someone else mentioned, Several of the times Gun's D got "worse" it was following a year when they were first in the league. They had nowhere to go but down. Also previously mentioned, Gun has never had to build a D up from rock bottom, so previous examples aren't comparable situations. I'm not a Gun homer, and I'm not convinced he'll get this turned around. But so far most of the arguments against him being able to are pretty weak IMO. __________________ Courage is not the absence of fear but rather the judgment that something is more important than fear. The brave may not live forever but the cautious do not live at all.
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