The "Curse of Denkinger?" - Page 5

Dr. Johnny Fever · 04-07-2006, 06:52 PM

I've been thinking, with all of the curse talk over the last several years in baseball.... the bambino... the billy goat... could it be the the Royals are strapped with "the curse of Denkinger?"

We all know Jorge Orta was out at first in game six of the '85 WS. We also know how that call changed the entire momentum of the series in the Royals favor. Yes, Orta was thrown out trying to go from first to third later that inning and never scored, therefor not really having any impact on the game. But no one can deny how it turned the tide when Denkinger called him safe. We celebrated. We experienced joy and rapture. Then we went forward.

Two winning seasons I think since. Bad moves by the front office. Bad players on the field. Even many of the "good" free agents we've gotten have turned into busts once they put on the blue and white uni's. Gonzalez, Knoblach, Neifi Perez even bounced back after leaving KC. Our good young players always become stars elsewhere. Our good young players who stick around after having initial success... Berroa, Jose Rosado, Ken Harvey, etc., fall to the wayside soon after making a name for themselves.

So I ask you Royals bretheren... are we saddled with "the Curse of Denkinger?"

Or do we just plain suck?

PunkinDrublic · 04-08-2006, 06:15 AM

I see Hamas Jenkens is demonstrating that vast baseball knowlege that Cardinal fans are so well known for.

Dr. Johnny Fever · 04-08-2006, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

12 years ago, do you all remember when John McSherry dropped dead umping a Reds game on opening day?? Well at first we thought it was Denkinger, so I (a huge Cards fan) told another one of my friends about it. He sat down, looked at me for a while and then laughed.

And laughed.

And laughed some more.

That's how much we hate that c*cksucking sonofabitch.

Orta didn't score. The call didn't matter. Your team simply choked.

StcChief · 04-08-2006, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Its funny when people say KC is a football town. Bullshit. The 70's and up until the stupid strike KC had great baseball support.

Mr. K spent money bc he though of the Royals as almost a goodwill for the city. He admited that he wasnt a big baseball fan, but he thought it was good for the city. Plus he had some cash, something Glass doesnt have huge amounts of.

Plus losing the best GM in baseball doesnt help matters.

Now without a salary cap.... No margin for error and Glass unwilling to invest to put anything on field that can compete in MLB.

Royals total payroll won't buy Pitchers on most competitive teams.

Salary cap would save them, but avg attendence is what ??? 10K game

Royals are heading out of town slow but sure if things don't change.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-08-2006, 10:55 AM

I think it's somewhat odd that all Cards fans are being called out for being jackasses when I think that I've been quite honest and open to debate about what happened in that series. It seems to me that the Royals fans are bitter at St. Louis not because of the bitching about the call, but rather because St. Louis has had far better teams the last 20 years.

You can implicate and deride the Cardinal Nation all you want, and yes some of the fans are jackasses, but that's the same in any sport.

Last fall after Pujols hit that homerun I called up one of my friends who lives in St.L. and told him I wanted to go to game 6. This was no small feat, since I'm going to school in Ohio. I cancelled the class that I teach for Wednesday and skipped my Thursday classes, driving over 500 miles each direction. The Cards got wiped out in that game, and it was pretty damned sad to see Busch go out like that.

But we stayed around, watched the video highlights, walked around and looked at all the memories people wrote on the walls of their favorite moments at the stadium, and it was the most poignant moment I've ever experienced at a sporting venue. Afterwards I told my friend that although I had to miss class, drive 1000 miles roundtrip and spend over 250 bucks on everything, that it was still worth it to me, because I felt that I owed it to the team to be there and show my support after what happened in game 5. If that's not being a true fan, well then I don't know what is.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-08-2006, 11:03 AM

Losing Schuerholtz really hurt you guys, but even he couldn't have patched together a winner with Glass at the helm. You guys have been deluded into thinking you are a small market team primarily because you have a small market owner and an 8th rate gm. If you got some real baseball people in there, you could compete just as well as Cleveland, Minnesota, Oakland, and others.

Dr. Johnny Fever · 04-08-2006, 11:13 AM

Every team in sports has jackass fans because people are jackasses. You just notice it more when they are rooting for the team your team is playing.

ChiefsCountry · 04-08-2006, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by nm_dbf

Now without a salary cap.... No margin for error and Glass unwilling to invest to put anything on field that can compete in MLB.

Royals total payroll won't buy Pitchers on most competitive teams.

Salary cap would save them, but avg attendence is what ??? 10K game

Royals are heading out of town slow but sure if things don't change.

Not for 25 years you dipshit Cardinal fan.

WilliamTheIrish · 04-08-2006, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Losing Schuerholtz really hurt you guys, but even he couldn't have patched together a winner with Glass at the helm. You guys have been deluded into thinking you are a small market team primarily because you have a small market owner and an 8th rate gm. If you got some real baseball people in there, you could compete just as well as Cleveland, Minnesota, Oakland, and others.

The loss of Scheurholz was a big loss. But he knew the writing was on the wall. Mr. K spent big. Ted Turner spent bigger.

I'd like to see JS try to run a franchise that isn't spending 100+ million a year.

**gblowfish** · 04-08-2006, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by William Ligue Jr

I am the reason you suck. Tom Gamboa is my bitch.

Hey, I dig your White Sox recruiting poster!

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-08-2006, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish

The loss of Scheurholz was a big loss. But he knew the writing was on the wall. Mr. K spent big. Ted Turner spent bigger.

I'd like to see JS try to run a franchise that isn't spending 100+ million a year.

Walt Jocketty > JS.

Case in point how Jocketty fleeced his ass in the JD Drew trade.

Calcountry · 04-08-2006, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by beer me

I've been thinking, with all of the curse talk over the last several years in baseball.... the bambino... the billy goat... could it be the the Royals are strapped with "the curse of Denkinger?"

We all know Jorge Orta was out at first in game six of the '85 WS. We also know how that call changed the entire momentum of the series in the Royals favor. Yes, Orta was thrown out trying to go from first to third later that inning and never scored, therefor not really having any impact on the game. But no one can deny how it turned the tide when Denkinger called him safe. We celebrated. We experienced joy and rapture. Then we went forward.

Two winning seasons I think since. Bad moves by the front office. Bad players on the field. Even many of the "good" free agents we've gotten have turned into busts once they put on the blue and white uni's. Gonzalez, Knoblach, Neifi Perez even bounced back after leaving KC. Our good young players always become stars elsewhere. Our good young players who stick around after having initial success... Berroa, Jose Rosado, Ken Harvey, etc., fall to the wayside soon after making a name for themselves.

So I ask you Royals bretheren... are we saddled with "the Curse of Denkinger?"

Or do we just plain suck?

Suck.

WTF is it with curses anyway? Is it sexy to root for an acursed team?

Its much more fun watching your team win 3 consecutive world series, I can assure you of that.

Heck, with that kind of logic, the Braves are cursed. Cursed to just win the division and nothing more. Forever being so close, and yet so far.

**Skip Towne** · 04-08-2006, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by bunnytrdr

Suck.

WTF is it with curses anyway? Is it sexy to root for an acursed team?

Its much more fun watching your team win 3 consecutive world series, I can assure you of that.

Heck, with that kind of logic, the Braves are cursed. Cursed to just win the division and nothing more. Forever being so close, and yet so far.

By "your" team do you mean that team you stole from KC?

ChiefsCountry · 04-08-2006, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Skip Towne

By "your" team do you mean that team you stole from KC?

A blessing for KC fans actually.

04-07-2006, 06:52 PM
Dr. Johnny Fever stax of wax Join Date: Feb 2004 Casino cash: $10004900	The "Curse of Denkinger?" I've been thinking, with all of the curse talk over the last several years in baseball.... the bambino... the billy goat... could it be the the Royals are strapped with "the curse of Denkinger?" We all know Jorge Orta was out at first in game six of the '85 WS. We also know how that call changed the entire momentum of the series in the Royals favor. Yes, Orta was thrown out trying to go from first to third later that inning and never scored, therefor not really having any impact on the game. But no one can deny how it turned the tide when Denkinger called him safe. We celebrated. We experienced joy and rapture. Then we went forward. Two winning seasons I think since. Bad moves by the front office. Bad players on the field. Even many of the "good" free agents we've gotten have turned into busts once they put on the blue and white uni's. Gonzalez, Knoblach, Neifi Perez even bounced back after leaving KC. Our good young players always become stars elsewhere. Our good young players who stick around after having initial success... Berroa, Jose Rosado, Ken Harvey, etc., fall to the wayside soon after making a name for themselves. So I ask you Royals bretheren... are we saddled with "the Curse of Denkinger?" Or do we just plain suck?
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'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7239572	I think it's somewhat odd that all Cards fans are being called out for being jackasses when I think that I've been quite honest and open to debate about what happened in that series. It seems to me that the Royals fans are bitter at St. Louis not because of the bitching about the call, but rather because St. Louis has had far better teams the last 20 years. You can implicate and deride the Cardinal Nation all you want, and yes some of the fans are jackasses, but that's the same in any sport. Last fall after Pujols hit that homerun I called up one of my friends who lives in St.L. and told him I wanted to go to game 6. This was no small feat, since I'm going to school in Ohio. I cancelled the class that I teach for Wednesday and skipped my Thursday classes, driving over 500 miles each direction. The Cards got wiped out in that game, and it was pretty damned sad to see Busch go out like that. But we stayed around, watched the video highlights, walked around and looked at all the memories people wrote on the walls of their favorite moments at the stadium, and it was the most poignant moment I've ever experienced at a sporting venue. Afterwards I told my friend that although I had to miss class, drive 1000 miles roundtrip and spend over 250 bucks on everything, that it was still worth it to me, because I felt that I owed it to the team to be there and show my support after what happened in game 5. If that's not being a true fan, well then I don't know what is. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7239572	Losing Schuerholtz really hurt you guys, but even he couldn't have patched together a winner with Glass at the helm. You guys have been deluded into thinking you are a small market team primarily because you have a small market owner and an 8th rate gm. If you got some real baseball people in there, you could compete just as well as Cleveland, Minnesota, Oakland, and others. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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