Columbine Killers documents released.

[jaxchiefsclub]

I can't believe some of the things these kids were writing about in thier class assignments and planners. There were warning signs everywhere. I can only imagine what could have been avoided if ONE teacher would have checked their planners.

As an elementary school teacher, I check planners on a daily basis. I know that for high school that may be too much to ask, but the homeroom teacher could check planners weekly or monthly.

Here is the link to a variety of documents (left-hand margin to select different items).

School Essay - Business Plan

[Deberg_1990]

Originally Posted by jspchief

I agree. I think I probably wrote some pretty graphic papers in my day. I was just one way to rebel against the school, while masking it as doing what those nazi teachers demanded of me.

Besides, as others have said, it's not a teacher's job to police these kids. I'm tired of teachers getting the blame for the shortcomings of parents, whether on the issue or in ridiculous stuff like No Child Left Behind.

I couldnt agree more. Speaking of the parents of these kids....i wonder what ever happened to them?? Id love to see an interview with them just to see their whole mindset and their side of the story. I doubt it will ever happen though, they probably moved away and went in to exile. Anyone ever seen or heard anything from them???

[Calcountry]

Originally Posted by Donger

Now there's a fucking shock.

[Calcountry]

Originally Posted by Hydrae

Sorry, but as a parent I think this should have been stopped at the home level. Teachers should be teaching, not policing.

Looking at some of that stuff, a lot of the pictures appear to me to be related to a video game (Ramstein). However, the "Trench Coat Mafia" part was a bit chilling. It states that they raised capital to start this "business" from personal resources and relocated people. By relocation they mean killed. I wonder if these kids were ever tied to unsolved murders in the area.

Was Jon Benet Ramsey from Colorado?

[Calcountry]

Originally Posted by PunkinDrublic

there is no excuse for walking in to a school and brutally murdering other students .

PD, I am not criticising you, just using something in your post to make a point:

And that is:

But there is an excuse for a ministers wife to mow down her husband.

There is an excuse, for Andrea Gates to drown her babies.

[Simplex3]

Originally Posted by Bowser

Excellent post.

It's almost as if some parents want all the glory and none of the responsibility of raising a kid.

Gee, that's not indicitive of this country in any way, is it?

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Ultra Peanut

The problem is, the vast majority of these "warning signs" are displayed by countless ****ed-up, depressed teenagers across the country. The problem is identifying the few who truly are about to snap.

No, the ****ing problem is Shannon Tweed and MADD.

Used to be a guy could get dumped/picked on/shot down/cut from the team and he had options. You could pay the corner drunk to pick you up a sixer, a box of Kleenex, and you're set for a night of Tweed-0-thon on Skin-e-Max.

But NOOOOOoooooooo. Tweed had to go and get old. Underage drinking is looked at now like pushing an old lady down the stairs and the Tipper/Falwell combo from Hell robbed America of Saturday night smut.

Now, where's my pipe bomb stash again?...

[Ultra Peanut]

By the way, this is a great article that sheds some light on a lot of common misconceptions about Columbine that persist to this day.

The first steps to understanding Columbine, they say, are to forget the popular narrative about the jocks, Goths, and Trenchcoat Mafia—click here to read more about Columbine's myths—and to abandon the core idea that Columbine was simply a school shooting. We can't understand why they did it until we understand what they were doing.

School shooters tend to act impulsively and attack the targets of their rage: students and faculty. But Harris and Klebold planned for a year and dreamed much bigger. The school served as means to a grander end, to terrorize the entire nation by attacking a symbol of American life. Their slaughter was aimed at students and teachers, but it was not motivated by resentment of them in particular. Students and teachers were just convenient quarry, what Timothy McVeigh described as "collateral damage."

The killers, in fact, laughed at petty school shooters. They bragged about dwarfing the carnage of the Oklahoma City bombing and originally scheduled their bloody performance for its anniversary. Klebold boasted on video about inflicting "the most deaths in U.S. history." Columbine was intended not primarily as a shooting at all, but as a bombing on a massive scale. If they hadn't been so bad at wiring the timers, the propane bombs they set in the cafeteria would have wiped out 600 people. After those bombs went off, they planned to gun down fleeing survivors. An explosive third act would follow, when their cars, packed with still more bombs, would rip through still more crowds, presumably of survivors, rescue workers, and reporters. The climax would be captured on live television. It wasn't just "fame" they were after—Agent Fuselier bristles at that trivializing term—they were gunning for devastating infamy on the historical scale of an Attila the Hun. Their vision was to create a nightmare so devastating and apocalyptic that the entire world would shudder at their power.

Harris and Klebold would have been dismayed that Columbine was dubbed the "worst school shooting in American history." They set their sights on eclipsing the world's greatest mass murderers, but the media never saw past the choice of venue. The school setting drove analysis in precisely the wrong direction.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Ultra Peanut

By the way, this is a great article that sheds some light on a lot of common misconceptions about Columbine that persist to this day.

IT'S ALL THAT MERRYLANE MANSON GUYS FAULT!1!

[Ultra Peanut]

Originally Posted by Rausch

IT'S ALL THAT MERRYLANE MANSON GUYS FAULT!1!

DAMN HIM

Originally Posted by Marilyn Manson

Times have not become more violent. They have just become more televised.

Oh, and I think you meant Doom.

[Hammock Parties]

Shannon Tweed isn't that great.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by GoChiefs

Shannon Tweed isn't that great.

She did a pictorial in Playboy back when I was in high school that changed my life.

Well, maybe it didn't change my life, but it pretty much dictated the course of an entire weekend.

And as for your comment, recall that I was in high school 25 years ago. That may explain our differences in opinion.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by Ultra Peanut

By the way, this is a great article that sheds some light on a lot of common misconceptions about Columbine that persist to this day.

That's a very interesting and well-written article.

The last paragraph is a bit odd, though. The parents of the victims might take offense at it.