Chiefs Have Gailey and Thigpen saved Herm's job? - Page 2

FringeNC · 11-16-2008, 03:51 PM

I think they have. Herm can claim despite the poor record, that he is developing a franchise quarterback. Certainly Herm had nothing to do with it, and this offense goes against his style of play, but Hunt is not going to pull the plug on Herm with all the buzz Thigpen is getting.

Given that he no longer imposes his philosophy on offense, he is getting close to just being the figure head as head coach. Problem is, he still makes terrible decisions like punting when the chance of us stopping them was far far less than the chance of a conversion.

chiefzilla1501 · 11-16-2008, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRock

Empty seats don't factor into the equation. If the seat was sold, it doesn't matter if the person with the ticket showed up or not. Like when you hear about a station buying up tickets to avoid a blackout, nobody's actually going to be in those seats unless the station just hands the tickets out on the street.

Yup.

THere's more than just ticket sales. When fans don't show up, they buy less parking, less jerseys, less t-shirts and hats, and a lot less beer/hot dogs/bbq at the game. I'm sure a strong message has been sent that the fans are not happy.

**Rausch** · 11-16-2008, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by nychief

Fire Herm. Hire Cowher and keep Gailey.

done.

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Deberg_1990 · 11-16-2008, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Yup.

THere's more than just ticket sales. When fans don't show up, they buy less parking, less jerseys, less t-shirts and hats, and a lot less beer/hot dogs/bbq at the game. I'm sure a strong message has been sent that the fans are not happy.

Good point.

Sully · 11-16-2008, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by nychief

Fire Herm. Hire Cowher and keep Gailey.

done.

I'm with ya, ny.

whoman69 · 11-16-2008, 04:48 PM

I'd rather see someone younger with some fresh ideas in there.

Reerun_KC · 11-16-2008, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by whoman69

I'd rather see someone younger with some fresh ideas in there.

or we could hire Cowher and keep mediocrity rolling and the true fans happy?

Someone fresh? Someone other than a branch off the Carl/Marty Tree? Blasphemy I say!

How dare you question the true fans quest for mediocrity!

FringeNC · 11-16-2008, 04:51 PM

It's not about this year's season ticket sales, it's about next year's. Suppose we had gotten blown out these last 4 games with r2p2 -- I'd have to think there'd be a major hit to season tickets. I don't know if this recent respectability is enough, but I'd guess yes.

nychief · 11-16-2008, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by whoman69

I'd rather see someone younger with some fresh ideas in there.

Fellas, there has not been anything "fresh" in football since the invention of the forward pass.

blaise · 11-16-2008, 05:02 PM

My blackout point is just that things haven't reached critical mass yet. They need to keep the 'Fire head coach scapegoat' card in case they really need it. The way it goes these days the Offensive Coordinator is the initial scapegoat and then when things get really bad the coach or GM. If they fire Herm this year, or right after this year, and they stink next year then what can they do? Fire the next coach?
This way if they stink next year they can fire Herm and buy themselves more time and retain some season ticket holders.
I don't think Herm deserves to be fired because of this year though. They (the Chiefs)seem to have been on board with his plan to go young, rebuild, etc. so I don't see why they would fire Herm now. If they go 1-5 to start next year, or if they go 4-12, or don't have a .500 record for the second half of the year then I think they could be justified in firing him.
I'm of the opinion they were too drastic with their rebuilding process. That tells me that Herm wasn't very worried about losing his job this year. Obviously, things can change but it seems to be he had confidence that management knew what was in store.

PastorMikH · 11-16-2008, 05:08 PM

I'm thinking they are definately helping Herm to keep his job. Don't think they are helping Gunther though.

Oddly enough, I almost wonder if Herm's changing a bit. Things I read this week, it seems like he's starting to be willing to let the O open up a bit. Even with LJ back, we didn't see the patent Herm up the middle stuff like we have in the past. 'Course it may be that he's been feeling the crunch and has been told to back off the conservativism.

bowener · 11-16-2008, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by FringeNC

I'm beginning to think they silently eliminated the blackout rule across the league.

Im surprised the NFL hasnt rewritten the contracts so that blackouts get to be played on NFLN. Just one more added reason the cable companies will have to pick it up.

TEX · 11-16-2008, 05:46 PM

IMO, Herm's job was never in doubt. Clark was always gonna have him back next year regardless of the record.

Halfcan · 11-16-2008, 05:49 PM

Herm will not win again-he cannot make adjustments at halftime, motivate his team and makes stoopid calls that lose games....

that dipshit needs to go!

**Rain Man** · 11-16-2008, 05:52 PM

I'm not sure what kind of storm could take down The Wreck of the Edwards Fitzgerald.

TEX · 11-16-2008, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan

Herm will not win again-he cannot make adjustments at halftime, motivate his team and makes stoopid calls that lose games....

that dipshit needs to go!

He also gets outcoached in nearly every game.

11-16-2008, 03:51 PM
FringeNC MVP Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: NC Casino cash: $-1733986	Have Gailey and Thigpen saved Herm's job? I think they have. Herm can claim despite the poor record, that he is developing a franchise quarterback. Certainly Herm had nothing to do with it, and this offense goes against his style of play, but Hunt is not going to pull the plug on Herm with all the buzz Thigpen is getting. Given that he no longer imposes his philosophy on offense, he is getting close to just being the figure head as head coach. Problem is, he still makes terrible decisions like punting when the chance of us stopping them was far far less than the chance of a conversion.
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11-16-2008, 04:51 PM	#22
FringeNC MVP Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: NC Casino cash: $-1733986	It's not about this year's season ticket sales, it's about next year's. Suppose we had gotten blown out these last 4 games with r2p2 -- I'd have to think there'd be a major hit to season tickets. I don't know if this recent respectability is enough, but I'd guess yes.
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11-16-2008, 05:02 PM	#24
blaise In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Plano, TX Casino cash: $9989900	My blackout point is just that things haven't reached critical mass yet. They need to keep the 'Fire head coach scapegoat' card in case they really need it. The way it goes these days the Offensive Coordinator is the initial scapegoat and then when things get really bad the coach or GM. If they fire Herm this year, or right after this year, and they stink next year then what can they do? Fire the next coach? This way if they stink next year they can fire Herm and buy themselves more time and retain some season ticket holders. I don't think Herm deserves to be fired because of this year though. They (the Chiefs)seem to have been on board with his plan to go young, rebuild, etc. so I don't see why they would fire Herm now. If they go 1-5 to start next year, or if they go 4-12, or don't have a .500 record for the second half of the year then I think they could be justified in firing him. I'm of the opinion they were too drastic with their rebuilding process. That tells me that Herm wasn't very worried about losing his job this year. Obviously, things can change but it seems to be he had confidence that management knew what was in store.
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PastorMikH Will KC ever be better? Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Land of Red Dirt & Necks Casino cash: $9905087	I'm thinking they are definately helping Herm to keep his job. Don't think they are helping Gunther though. Oddly enough, I almost wonder if Herm's changing a bit. Things I read this week, it seems like he's starting to be willing to let the O open up a bit. Even with LJ back, we didn't see the patent Herm up the middle stuff like we have in the past. 'Course it may be that he's been feeling the crunch and has been told to back off the conservativism. __________________
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TEX Out Gunning CP's Fandom Police Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Galveston, TX Casino cash: $-1386873	IMO, Herm's job was never in doubt. Clark was always gonna have him back next year regardless of the record. __________________ "Do we have time to run WASP?"
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Halfcan In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2005 Casino cash: $7327995	Herm will not win again-he cannot make adjustments at halftime, motivate his team and makes stoopid calls that lose games.... that dipshit needs to go!
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