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Mama Hip Rockets · 11-11-2009, 12:35 PM

Did anyone else see this stat on the Monday night game? I saw it, pondered it in amazement, and then became severely depressed by the Chiefs' draft-picking ineptitude. Here is the Pittsburgh Steelers 1st round draft history over the past few years:

2009: Ziggy Hood
2008: Rashard Mendenhall
2007: Lawrence Timmons
2006: Santonio Holmes
2005: Heath Miller
2004: Ben Roethlisberger
2003: Troy Polamalu

How can a team have this many great players drafted in consecutive years? Is it superior talent evaluation? Is it superior coaching? Is it luck?

**jAZ** · 11-11-2009, 04:02 PM

Pittsburg Steelers = Carl + Marty + ARealQBOTF

HotRoute · 11-11-2009, 04:03 PM

ive finally been convinced on this taylor mays guy, if he is really 6'3' 230 and runs a 4.3 40 yrd dash, he's going to go top 4 for sure. hopefully he's still there for us, maybe we could start some rumors that he smokes, it certainly made d.marino, b.j. raji, and p. harvin all free fall in the draft yet they still do just fine in the NFL, lol.

milkman · 11-11-2009, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by jAZ

Pittsburg Steelers = Carl + Marty + ARealQBOTF

Carl and Marty never drafted as well as the Steelers.

kaplin42 · 11-11-2009, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by LaChapelle

Bell went on to be a bust here, but that one may be laid at injuries doorstep.

It's team IMO

Bell was never that good anyways. He was a hard hitter, but he was dumb as a rock. Even in Pitt they just made him rush the passer, cause thats all he was capable of. He played there for years and never figured out the playbook. When we got him, not only was he stupid, but he was injured, so he couldn't even hit people.

**jAZ** · 11-11-2009, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Carl and Marty never drafted as well as the Steelers.

Well, that's obviously true given that we never drafted any real talent at the QBOTF and WROTF positions in the generation that they were here together. But my point is that, really, in the end, that was about the only difference.

There seems to be a *lot* more talent at the QB position these days than at any time during the Marty Era too. We were an elite francise during the first part of CP's tenure. People seem to forget that (understandably) these days.

Pitt Gorilla · 11-11-2009, 04:41 PM

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=217860

Chris Meck · 11-11-2009, 04:56 PM

You could almost (but not quite) understand the high turnover rate given the different systems and coachs over the last 8 or 9 years. From Gun's systems, to Vermeil's, to Herm's, and now Haley's. Very different skill sets for each coach's teams, both offense and defense.

The problem is how few of those players are playing somewhere else in the league. I mean, it's like a couple of guys. The rest are all flippin' burgers.

I think heart has a lot to do with it; I think football intelligence has a lot to do with it-and I think coaching absolutely has a lot to do with it.

I don't think anyone thought Joey Harrington or David Carr were going to go the way they went. You spend a couple of years with lousy teams and no blocking getting your ass kicked and your future hall of fame QB becomes a never-was in a hurry.

The Steelers never panic. They buy into a coach's philosophy 100 percent, and when it doesn't go well they stick with it. There's a lot to THAT, frankly. Pick a high character, smart, hard working individual to coach your team, and then give him everything you can to win with, every year. And don't panic if it doesn't work right away.

milkman · 11-11-2009, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by jAZ

Well, that's obviously true given that we never drafted any real talent at the QBOTF and WROTF positions in the generation that they were here together. But my point is that, really, in the end, that was about the only difference.

There seems to be a *lot* more talent at the QB position these days than at any time during the Marty Era too. We were an elite francise during the first part of CP's tenure. People seem to forget that (understandably) these days.

No, we weren't an elute franchise.

We were a good team during the regular season, but elite franchises draft well and win championships.

Elite franchises don't build the core of their team through free agency.

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-11-2009, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by LaChapelle

I have a real hard time believing Joey Porter kept his mouth shut. He went on to being called a bust in Miami. Bell went on to be a bust here, but that one may be laid at injuries doorstep.

It's team IMO

Bust?

Who the **** called him a bust?

He had 17.5 sacks last year.

Mr. Arrowhead · 11-11-2009, 05:36 PM

you not only have to draft well in the first round, you need draft well and build good depth with round 2-5.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 11-11-2009, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Yep, I think the Steelers have been the most consistently good franchise during my lifetime (70s through now). I mean, how crazy is it to imagine that since 1969 ... they have only had 3 Head Coaches. There are a half dozen or more teams with more than that in the last decade. Noll took over in 1969 and his first 3 years weren't that great, but things took the turn in 1972. Since that time (37 season), 27 of those seasons (including 2009, because it will happen) - the Steelers have had 9 or more wins. Think about it, 9+ wins in 27 of the last 37 seasons - that's great! There was a span of years in the late 80s when the Steelers were inconsistent, but that immediately changed in 1992 when Cowher took over. Cowher only had 3 losing seasons during his 15 year tenure, but he had 9 double digit win seasons with a SB Title. Nolan, Cowher and Tomlin all have SB rings. They have a philosophy and they stick with it... they have a true identity. Every team has their off years and they haven't been immune to that either, but they do not get stuck in the mud for long.

Yep, very easy to be jealous of that franchise. Without a doubt.

LaChapelle · 11-11-2009, 10:15 PM

Bell was Defensive Rookie of the Year, he can probably thank his supporting cast for that.

Porter was labeled a bust after his first season in Miami. So far this year it looks like last year was an Eric Hicks like event.

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Chris Meck MVP Join Date: May 2001 Location: midtown KC Casino cash: $-1235090	You could almost (but not quite) understand the high turnover rate given the different systems and coachs over the last 8 or 9 years. From Gun's systems, to Vermeil's, to Herm's, and now Haley's. Very different skill sets for each coach's teams, both offense and defense. The problem is how few of those players are playing somewhere else in the league. I mean, it's like a couple of guys. The rest are all flippin' burgers. I think heart has a lot to do with it; I think football intelligence has a lot to do with it-and I think coaching absolutely has a lot to do with it. I don't think anyone thought Joey Harrington or David Carr were going to go the way they went. You spend a couple of years with lousy teams and no blocking getting your ass kicked and your future hall of fame QB becomes a never-was in a hurry. The Steelers never panic. They buy into a coach's philosophy 100 percent, and when it doesn't go well they stick with it. There's a lot to THAT, frankly. Pick a high character, smart, hard working individual to coach your team, and then give him everything you can to win with, every year. And don't panic if it doesn't work right away.
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