Chiefs Vermeil's philosophy - Page 3

Oz_Chief · 01-04-2010, 02:15 PM

I recalled a Coach Vermeil quote from a few years back. His stated philosophy was that to build a competitive football team one must start with LT, QB and RB.

My questions to the board are:

1. Do you agree with his philosophy?
2. How far away are we from having these three pieces in place?

philfree · 01-04-2010, 06:50 PM

What ever DV said he turned around and made sure he had the best o line in the league. So...with a grain of salt please.

PhilFree

Chief Pote · 01-04-2010, 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frazod

Yeah, here's Vermeil's philosophy:

"Defense? What's that? Hey, have you met my friend Greg?"

DIE IN FIRE VERMEIL

Over react much?

**MahiMike** · 01-04-2010, 06:56 PM

13-3 sounds niiiiiiice.

Sweet Dick Willy · 01-04-2010, 07:01 PM

Just draft O-line in round 1 every year; instant success.

Dark Horse · 01-04-2010, 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man

QB, RDE, RB, LT, shutdown CB. The first five things you want.

That sounds about right.

Rigodan · 01-05-2010, 02:06 AM

I'd want my 3 best players to play QB, DE, and WR.

How many Superbowls have we seen lately that have been won with a drive in the last 2 minutes of the game? I want a QB that can lead that game winning drive and a WR for him to throw it too. Of course, I'd want the DE to stop the other teams game winning drive.

I don't think LT is as important if you have a great QB. Elite QB's get rid of the ball on time so you can get by with average pass protection.

Hammock Parties · 01-05-2010, 02:08 AM

LT, QB, DE/OLB would be a better philosophy.

If your quarterback is good enough you can win with a lot of wide receivers. See Peyton Manning and Brett Favre. I don't know what QB holds the record for most 1,000-yard WRs, but I'd bet it's Brett Favre.

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-05-2010, 02:10 AM

Vermeil ****ed this franchise for half a decade or more.

I can't even believe his name is spoken.

tk13 · 01-05-2010, 02:13 AM

RB, RG, Nickel CB, Punter. That's where it's at.

tk13 · 01-05-2010, 02:27 AM

In reality, if you're going for three positions... QB, LT, pass rusher.

There's really more than one way to do it... there have been good QB's who have never won anything. And teams with no-name offensive lines. But you have to at least have someone playing at a 1st round level over there. Just watch, if the Saints LT doesn't step up the Saints are gonna get run out of the playoffs. Especially having to go up against the pass rush the Vikings, Eagles, or Cowboys are going to bring. At least in recent times, great pass rushes have beaten the great offenses. That's why the Colts, Steelers, and Giants have won. It's the only way to neutralize all these teams that spread it out.

TigerPig · 01-05-2010, 03:08 AM

The best defense is a good offense...

I also think in a 3-4 scheme the NT is probably one of the MOST IMPORTANT positions. In the 4-3 the MLB is cause the DTs can share duty and help each other out (but the MLB is on his own). But in a 3-4 its the opposite. You can have two good (not great) LBs and still do fine. But you have to have a GREAT NT to do the job two people were doing before.

You can call me crazy all you want. But I will believe it to the end.

As far as offense, I wholeheartedly agree with the Vermeil strategy. And anyone who says Vermeil doesn't know offense is insane anyway. But I'll add that a RG is a HUGE asset also for a RB.

**007** · 01-05-2010, 05:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I was unaware that his Eagles team beat the Raiders in Super Bowl XV.

Extra Point · 01-05-2010, 05:54 AM

O: QB, C, RB

D: ILB, NT, SS

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Rigodan Starter Join Date: Dec 2008 Casino cash: $10004900	I'd want my 3 best players to play QB, DE, and WR. How many Superbowls have we seen lately that have been won with a drive in the last 2 minutes of the game? I want a QB that can lead that game winning drive and a WR for him to throw it too. Of course, I'd want the DE to stop the other teams game winning drive. I don't think LT is as important if you have a great QB. Elite QB's get rid of the ball on time so you can get by with average pass protection.
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Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $860478	LT, QB, DE/OLB would be a better philosophy. If your quarterback is good enough you can win with a lot of wide receivers. See Peyton Manning and Brett Favre. I don't know what QB holds the record for most 1,000-yard WRs, but I'd bet it's Brett Favre. __________________ Chiefs game films
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01-05-2010, 02:13 AM	#39
tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $-1837500	RB, RG, Nickel CB, Punter. That's where it's at.
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01-05-2010, 02:27 AM	#40
tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $-1837500	In reality, if you're going for three positions... QB, LT, pass rusher. There's really more than one way to do it... there have been good QB's who have never won anything. And teams with no-name offensive lines. But you have to at least have someone playing at a 1st round level over there. Just watch, if the Saints LT doesn't step up the Saints are gonna get run out of the playoffs. Especially having to go up against the pass rush the Vikings, Eagles, or Cowboys are going to bring. At least in recent times, great pass rushes have beaten the great offenses. That's why the Colts, Steelers, and Giants have won. It's the only way to neutralize all these teams that spread it out.
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01-05-2010, 03:08 AM	#41
TigerPig One with the Force Join Date: Jan 2010 Casino cash: $10004900	The best defense is a good offense... I also think in a 3-4 scheme the NT is probably one of the MOST IMPORTANT positions. In the 4-3 the MLB is cause the DTs can share duty and help each other out (but the MLB is on his own). But in a 3-4 its the opposite. You can have two good (not great) LBs and still do fine. But you have to have a GREAT NT to do the job two people were doing before. You can call me crazy all you want. But I will believe it to the end. As far as offense, I wholeheartedly agree with the Vermeil strategy. And anyone who says Vermeil doesn't know offense is insane anyway. But I'll add that a RG is a HUGE asset also for a RB.
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