Who is the best OLB in the draft?

[Titty Meat]

That would fit the Chiefs 3-4. I don't beieve Hali is an effective everydown player and Vrabel should not be resigned. If the 3-4 is ever going to be successfull in Kansas City it will need a good NT and OLB. Who in this draft do you think is the best OLB prospect? Kindle, Hughes,Miller? Discuss.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Also MLB is a position that shouldn't need high draft picks to fill it.

Neither is safety, but sometimes you make exceptions for exceptional players.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by billay

No, Hali is what he is 8.5 sacks is pretty much his peak. He's not going to overpower a tackle and he's not fast just has a good motor.

2nd in the league in pressures. I'd say with a little luck and less room for a QB to step up and/or a little more pressure from the other side, Hali could pick up another 2-3 sacks per year.

Let's face it, 99.9% of CP, myself included, thought he was going to completely suck ass at OLB. Give the guy some credit and some more time before you insert your foot in your mouth a second time.

[Mecca]

Just sayin, that using high picks on other positions doesn't mean you can't upgrade MLB.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

2nd in the league in pressures. I'd say with a little luck and less room for a QB to step up and/or a little more pressure from the other side, Hali could pick up another 2-3 sacks per year.

Let's face it, 99.9% of CP, myself included, thought he was going to completely suck ass at OLB. Give the guy some credit and some more time before you insert your foot in your mouth a second time.

I think Hali could feasibly be a 10-12 sack guy, and whatever his stat rankings were, I think it's fair to say he's not the sole glaring reason the Chiefs could not consistently stop the run. Would you want him to do a better job in that role? Of course... Can he? Who knows. Maybe if the level of collective suck in the run game is less, some of the individual suck will abate as well.

[jspchief]

I wonder where Angerer will be taken? Kind of interested where he lands in terms of measurables... not usually a strong point of Iowa players.

I'd like to consider him though... disciplined player, won't see him screw up often.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Maybe if the level of collective suck in the run game is less, some of the individual suck will abate as well.

I bet if the level of individual suck is less, the collective suck will abate, too.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I bet if the level of individual suck is less, the collective suck will abate, too.

That was my point, but I was referring to individual suck from people other than Hali.

There was an incredible amount of individual suck on that unit.

[CaliforniaChief]

Originally Posted by jspchief

I wonder where Angerer will be taken? Kind of interested where he lands in terms of measurables... not usually a strong point of Iowa players.

I'd like to consider him though... disciplined player, won't see him screw up often.

Conventional wisdom on him seems to put him somewhere in the 5th round. We've got 3 picks that round, don't we?

BTW, Chiefs fans would love this guy. He is a lot of fun to watch.

[jspchief]

Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief

Conventional wisdom on him seems to put him somewhere in the 5th round. We've got 3 picks that round, don't we?

BTW, Chiefs fans would love this guy. He is a lot of fun to watch.

Really? I wouldn't hesistate to use a 5th on him.

[RedThat]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Thing is, you didn't say get a passrusher, you said get two...

I worry more about Vrabel than Hali, and I worry more about Mays and Williams than either of them. This defense got destroyed up the middle, and I don't think adding two outside pass rushers solves that.

I do agree that NT would be a huge help, although I don't think it has to be a high draft pick solution. I'd look in free agency first, find somebody to knock Edwards from the starting lineup down to a rotation player.

I think Brown has to be replaced. They just can't afford to have that kind of target in the pass defense. I don't think that means that Berry must absolutely be the pick, however, although he's an obvious answer.

And I've said this before, but I think adding a player like Rolando McClain could have an enormous impact on the defense. He's a heady linebacker with great size and speed, the kind of field general that this team hasn't had in the decade I've watched, and he comes from the 3-4 in college to boot. I think he could have the kind of impact on this d that Urlacher did for Chicago. But, that said, 5 is damned high for taking a MLB.

Anyway, my perfect scenario would be Berry or McClain early, a WR and a rush linebacker in the second, a center and a guard somewhere in the 3rd-5th range, then NT and whichever position we didn't draft early (S or LB) from free agency, along with whatever else they need.

I said "if" they decided to upgrade both OLB spots, id be for it. The pass defense would be awesome if you have two guys that are relentless and could get to the QB. We haven't had that since the N.Smith and Derrick Thomas days.

If not, then thats okay as long as they get one passrusher from this draft. But you have a good point, this team has many other needs to fill as it is. Like your scenario that works for me as well.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by RedThat

I said "if" they decided to upgrade both OLB spots, id be for it. The pass defense would be awesome if you have two guys that are relentless and could get to the QB. We haven't had that since the N.Smith and Derrick Thomas days.

While that would be nice, and while I'm not normally of a conservative bent, I think they need to worry more about the run defense at this point. The best pass rushers on earth won't help them if they're getting gashed for 150 yards/game at 4.7 yards a pop. Only two teams were run on more than the Chiefs in '09, in terms of attempts. And I don't think replacing Hali (and/or Vrabel) is going to fix that. Not when the middle of the defense is an open highway...

So many things to fix. Glad it's not my job.

[TheGuardian]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Just sayin, that using high picks on other positions doesn't mean you can't upgrade MLB.

I actually agree with Mecca. you can find bad ass inside backers (or backers in general) in latter rounds. You gotta remember that linebackers are the running backs of the defense. They can come in and play at a high level pretty quickly if they have the instincts. You don't need to waste high picks (1st or 2nd being "high") on backs or linebackers.

[jspchief]

Originally Posted by TheGuardian

I actually agree with Mecca. you can find bad ass inside backers (or backers in general) in latter rounds. You gotta remember that linebackers are the running backs of the defense. They can come in and play at a high level pretty quickly if they have the instincts. You don't need to waste high picks (1st or 2nd being "high") on backs or linebackers.

It's one of the best parts of the 3-4... you really only need 2 studs in the front seven, the rest can be made up of non-1st round talent (usually is anyway). Hell for that matter, even the pass rushers in 3-4 defenses are rarely high round talent. Just get the DT you need.

[ct]

Originally Posted by beach tribe

Tamba didn't play horribly, but should he be a teams primary pass rusher? Hell No.

I still think he should be rushing the passer from the left side, with a legit guy rushing from the blind side.

This, fo sho! Tamba is a try hard guy, but he's not quick enough to be a star pass rusher.

I like what I read and hear about Hughes (but never seen him), after Berry in the 1st. Maybe we have to package both 2nds to move up for Hughes, or we move down a couple and still get Berry, plus some other ammo to move up. If we get that out of our 1st 2 picks, I am pleased!

S and pass rushing OLB are by far my 2 biggest items on the wish list.