Draft tendencies of the Parcells tree. - Page 2

Ralphy Boy · 01-11-2010, 11:30 PM

Indulge me for a minute if you will. I was bored and trying to get some insight into the staff’s draft thoughts; NOT just for this draft but also for future drafts. I would really like to see us draft Eric Berry, if he's there, but didn't know how likely it was that we'd actually take him if we had the chance.

I pulled some of the data of the draft history of our staff to see if I could get any better of an idea. Given that Haley & Pioli are from the Parcells tree, I looked at his drafts as well going back to his days with the Patriots. Every staff has their tendencies so I figured it was worth a shot and if not Berry, what position do they place enough value on to go after.

I looked at Pioli's Patriots, Crennel's Browns, Haley & Pendergast's Cardinals as well as Parcells' Patriots, Jets, Cowboys & Dolphins.
I only considered Crennel’s & Pendergast’s defensive draft picks during their tenure except during Haley & CP's tenure in AZ, when I considered all of the picks.
Since we all know that Pioli & Haley already took one 1st round d-linemen in, I didn't consider our 2009 draft in the numbers.

I don’t care to get into a philosophical debate about why they draft whomever they draft, these are just the facts based on the above criteria.

1st Round Facts: Only 1 RB & 1 WR have been selected in the first round. Only Parcells has ever drafted a QB in the first (Pennington & Bledsoe). Parcells & Haley each took 1 OT. Pioli & Clancy each took a S, though Rolle's intended role was CB.

The most frequent picks: 7 LB’s were taken. Parcells took 5 of them but has yet to in Miami. The only others that did not take one were Haley & Clancy in AZ. Pioli & RC each took one.
5 d-linemen were taken. Pioli took 3 in NE and Parcells took 2 (Jets & Cowboys).
5 CB’s were taken with Parcells taking 3 & Haley/Clancy taking Rodgers Cromartie & Rolle.
3 TE’s were taken, 2 by Pioli and both during Weis tenure there.

Given that there were 28 first rounders between them with 18 of them being spent on defense, so there is a 64% chance we'll draft a defensive player.

The odds of taking a position are as follows:

LB = 7 = 25%. DL = 5 = 17.8%, CB = 5 = 17.8%, TE = 3 = 10.7%, QB, OT, S, RB, G, WR = 1 = 3.5%

There is a 42.8% chance that we'll draft someone for our front 7 and a 21% chance they will be in the secondary.

What I take from this is that the odds are we likely won't be drafting a WR, S, RB or G in the first round of any draft.

Eric Berry fans on the Planet probably already know that Pioli took Merriweather in the first, though he was the 24th pick. Antrel Rolle went 8, but he was originally a CB. Romeo, Clancy & Parcells have never drafted a safety in the first round. I’m hoping we get Berry and I do think his talent is probably too good for Pioli to pass up.

Basically I just wanted to post those percentages so that I/we can look back on them later and see how they hold up after the draft.

Ralphy Boy · 01-12-2010, 10:15 PM

Another thing I decided to look at was how Pioli, Parcells, Haley, Clancy & Crennel drafted based on college team and conference. My theory being that like many of us are Big 12 homers, they might show favortism toward or bias against a particular conference or team.

Players drafted by conference league-wide in 2009:
SEC = 37 players drafted. ACC = 33. Pac 10 = 32. Big 12 = 28.
Big 10 = 28. Big East = 27. MWC = 15. MAC = 12. Conf USA = 10.
WAC = 6. Sun Belt = 2. Independent = 1.
I don't expect that to have shocked anyone, its just the benchmark of the league today.

Comparatively speaking the history of the above mentioned people are as follows, based on the first 3 rounds and listed in order by round (1st, 2nd, 3rd):
SEC 14 Total. ACC 14 Total. Pac 10 7 Total. Big 12 9 Total. Big 10 13 Total. Big East 4 Total. MWC 2 Total. MAC none. Conf USA 1 Total. WAC 2 Total. Sun Belt 2 Total. Independent 2 Total.

So just like in 2009 the SEC & ACC lead the way in total picks with 14 and the Big 10 coming in third with 13 while the Pac 10 was a bit further down the list with 7. The SEC & Big 10 are tied with 7 1st rounders each.

Only Parcells has picked a first rounder out of the Pac 10 and those were forever ago with Willie McGinnest & Drew Bledsoe. Perhaps there is a bias against the Pac 10.

Of Pioli's first rounders; 4 came out of the SEC with 2 more coming from each the Big 12 & ACC. He has taken 1 out of each Big 10 (Maroney) & WAC (Logan Mankins).

Tennessee, Georgia, LSU, Miami, Ohio State & Michigan each had 2 first rounders selected.

The highest draft pick Pioli has ever had, since taking Seymour at # 6 and prior to TJ last year, was in 2008 when he took Jerod Mayo at #10 out of.....

....

.... Tennessee. And all the Eric Berry people in the house said "hey ho, hey ho, hey hey, ho ho"

Yeah I basically wasted a bunch of time finding out nothing that we didn't already know.

01-11-2010, 11:30 PM
Ralphy Boy MVP Join Date: Aug 2001 Casino cash: $10004900	Draft tendencies of the Parcells tree. Indulge me for a minute if you will. I was bored and trying to get some insight into the staff’s draft thoughts; NOT just for this draft but also for future drafts. I would really like to see us draft Eric Berry, if he's there, but didn't know how likely it was that we'd actually take him if we had the chance. I pulled some of the data of the draft history of our staff to see if I could get any better of an idea. Given that Haley & Pioli are from the Parcells tree, I looked at his drafts as well going back to his days with the Patriots. Every staff has their tendencies so I figured it was worth a shot and if not Berry, what position do they place enough value on to go after. I looked at Pioli's Patriots, Crennel's Browns, Haley & Pendergast's Cardinals as well as Parcells' Patriots, Jets, Cowboys & Dolphins. I only considered Crennel’s & Pendergast’s defensive draft picks during their tenure except during Haley & CP's tenure in AZ, when I considered all of the picks. Since we all know that Pioli & Haley already took one 1st round d-linemen in, I didn't consider our 2009 draft in the numbers. I don’t care to get into a philosophical debate about why they draft whomever they draft, these are just the facts based on the above criteria. 1st Round Facts: Only 1 RB & 1 WR have been selected in the first round. Only Parcells has ever drafted a QB in the first (Pennington & Bledsoe). Parcells & Haley each took 1 OT. Pioli & Clancy each took a S, though Rolle's intended role was CB. The most frequent picks: 7 LB’s were taken. Parcells took 5 of them but has yet to in Miami. The only others that did not take one were Haley & Clancy in AZ. Pioli & RC each took one. 5 d-linemen were taken. Pioli took 3 in NE and Parcells took 2 (Jets & Cowboys). 5 CB’s were taken with Parcells taking 3 & Haley/Clancy taking Rodgers Cromartie & Rolle. 3 TE’s were taken, 2 by Pioli and both during Weis tenure there. Given that there were 28 first rounders between them with 18 of them being spent on defense, so there is a 64% chance we'll draft a defensive player. The odds of taking a position are as follows: LB = 7 = 25%. DL = 5 = 17.8%, CB = 5 = 17.8%, TE = 3 = 10.7%, QB, OT, S, RB, G, WR = 1 = 3.5% There is a 42.8% chance that we'll draft someone for our front 7 and a 21% chance they will be in the secondary. What I take from this is that the odds are we likely won't be drafting a WR, S, RB or G in the first round of any draft. Eric Berry fans on the Planet probably already know that Pioli took Merriweather in the first, though he was the 24th pick. Antrel Rolle went 8, but he was originally a CB. Romeo, Clancy & Parcells have never drafted a safety in the first round. I’m hoping we get Berry and I do think his talent is probably too good for Pioli to pass up. Basically I just wanted to post those percentages so that I/we can look back on them later and see how they hold up after the draft.
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01-12-2010, 10:15 PM	#16
Ralphy Boy MVP Join Date: Aug 2001 Casino cash: $10004900	Another thing I decided to look at was how Pioli, Parcells, Haley, Clancy & Crennel drafted based on college team and conference. My theory being that like many of us are Big 12 homers, they might show favortism toward or bias against a particular conference or team. Players drafted by conference league-wide in 2009: SEC = 37 players drafted. ACC = 33. Pac 10 = 32. Big 12 = 28. Big 10 = 28. Big East = 27. MWC = 15. MAC = 12. Conf USA = 10. WAC = 6. Sun Belt = 2. Independent = 1. I don't expect that to have shocked anyone, its just the benchmark of the league today. Comparatively speaking the history of the above mentioned people are as follows, based on the first 3 rounds and listed in order by round (1st, 2nd, 3rd): SEC 14 Total. ACC 14 Total. Pac 10 7 Total. Big 12 9 Total. Big 10 13 Total. Big East 4 Total. MWC 2 Total. MAC none. Conf USA 1 Total. WAC 2 Total. Sun Belt 2 Total. Independent 2 Total. So just like in 2009 the SEC & ACC lead the way in total picks with 14 and the Big 10 coming in third with 13 while the Pac 10 was a bit further down the list with 7. The SEC & Big 10 are tied with 7 1st rounders each. Only Parcells has picked a first rounder out of the Pac 10 and those were forever ago with Willie McGinnest & Drew Bledsoe. Perhaps there is a bias against the Pac 10. Of Pioli's first rounders; 4 came out of the SEC with 2 more coming from each the Big 12 & ACC. He has taken 1 out of each Big 10 (Maroney) & WAC (Logan Mankins). Tennessee, Georgia, LSU, Miami, Ohio State & Michigan each had 2 first rounders selected. The highest draft pick Pioli has ever had, since taking Seymour at # 6 and prior to TJ last year, was in 2008 when he took Jerod Mayo at #10 out of..... .... .... Tennessee. And all the Eric Berry people in the house said "hey ho, hey ho, hey hey, ho ho" Yeah I basically wasted a bunch of time finding out nothing that we didn't already know.
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