What will you consider progress in Indy? The Poll

[BigRedChief]

I was there the last time. About 5-10 Planeteers shared the pain together;

Not making Manning punt and a offense running LJ up the ass of his own offensive line are part of our history. We can reasonably expect a better performance this time.

But, what is going to be consider progress? Not going to attempt to define progress, thats up to you.

[Chiefshrink]

Originally Posted by Straight, No Chaser

I guess real progress would be taking a knee in Indy for the win with Peyton on the 'effing sideline watching.

That is the key keeping PM on the sideline for as long as you can by pounding the ball which we should be able to do fairly effectively and score more touchdowns in the redzone as opposed to FGs. Chew up the clock and have our D play tough redzone D forcing more FGs for Indy on top of forcing some turnovers thus winning the "more possesions battle".

Indy is definitely not hitting on all cyclinders for various reasons but still PM's offense will match you "tit for tat" most of the time and we 'CANNOT' afford 'ANY' turnovers whatsoever especially on the road against PM. He will make you pay.

PM and Crennel know each other like the back of each other's hand and Crennel has won most of those battles 'BUT' Crennel had a better pass rush and better 2ndary with the Pats. PM knows our 2ndary is young and gives up the "Big Plays". He will go after Berry big time. Count on it. Colts running game is damn near non-existent and still PM and crew can put up 28pts through the air in a heartbeat. He doesn't need the run to set up the pass because he is that good and knowing and reading D's thus calling the right plays in a "milli-second" to expose those soft areas to complete passes.

This game is huge psychologically for both teams at this time but for different reasons. The Colts will come in with a high sense of urgency to win especially against a team that it in their eyes are a "big pretender" at 3-0 in which they want to expose this and more importantly to avoid questioning themselves that something is wrong with their team this yr by losing to an inferior team at home and also being 0-2 in their division already.

For the Chiefs, Piolie,Haley and the coaches have been teaching the Chiefs all along to this point "HOW TO WIN" but just not winning at home but winning on the road against a good if not better opponent at this point of the season. The Chiefs need to show themselves they will not be intimidated by PM and match his intensity level and make less mistakes and take advantage of all opportunities both offensively and defensively if they are to be taken seriously.

This game could very well be their "RITE OF PASSAGE" game where they graduate from a "group of boys" playing a game to "special forces of men" on a mission to search and destroy the enemy and win at all costs. Losing all of sudden is not an option now for the Chiefs because now their character as a team has risen to the maturity level of not accepting defeat whatsoever. This is the difference between mediocrity and greatness.

Progress for me is that I don't want to see my Chiefs backdown whatsoever regardless of the ups and downs during the game. If this happens you will see a Chiefs team match PM intensity at every turn never being intimidated and you will either see a Chiefs victory or respectful loss. The big goal here is the Chiefs need to show themselves they have grown together as a team and are not pretenders at 3-0.

If I'm Haley I am telling them everyday that this is their "Rite of Passage" game because the rest of the NFL and most NFL fans say we are pretenders at 3-0 and we are going to get our asses handed to us. "Well fellas here is the reality, champions play big in big games. Are you a champion or just a player? PM is not God, we are "NOT" intimidated by anyone and Goliath gets his head chopped off this W/E and we go 4-0.

[johnny961]

A win here is progress. Now if we can have a win, 30+ carries by Charles, and multiple sacks by Smith, we have...

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by johnny961

A win here is progress. Now if we can have a win, 30+ carries by Charles, and multiple sacks by Smith, we have...

so.......anything less than a win is not progress?

Las Vegas knows what they are doing with the odds on a game. They built a city on knowing the odds. The Chiefs are the biggest underdog in the NFL this week.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Win, close losses accomplish nothing. The team played it close against Baltimore week 1 last year and couldn't build on it. The year before close losses to the Chargers further deflated the team. Winning intstills confidence. Losing just sucks.

[johnny961]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

so.......anything less than a win is not progress?

Las Vegas knows what they are doing with the odds on a game. They built a city on knowing the odds. The Chiefs are the biggest underdog in the NFL this week.

I never insinuated this. I made the statement above in humor hoping for a win, but I would not be terribly disappointed if we lose a close game in a well played game. And, yes, for the most part, the Vegas oddsmakers DO know what they're doing. They get paid to do this for a living, and are usually right more times than not as far as win/loss goes. That being said, I've seen oddsmakers look stupid over the years when a heavily favored team choked. So these odds are not gospel either. And, from the looks of the poll, it looks like the majority here agree that a win here indicates progress. So I don't think my statement above was out of line.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by sportsshrink

PM and Crennel know each other like the back of each other's hand and Crennel has won most of those battles 'BUT' Crennel had a better pass rush and better 2ndary with the Pats.

I'm not sure you can say that about the secondary, certainly not after Malloy and Law left. The secondary here is young, but there's an incredible amount of talent there. And I don't know if the 49ers game was an aberration or a sign of things to come - the pass rush may be further along than we all thought.

I still don't think we have any chance in this game. I don't think running the ball is going to be enough. Cassel is going to have to make plays, particularly if Indy comes out primed to stop Jones and Charles (and you know they will). The only shot I think we have is if we have enough of a passing game early to open things up in the running game.

And we can't get behind. If we're a couple scores down early and in constant passing mode, those Indy ends/OLBs are going to have Cassel for lunch.

These are the keys to me: survive the initial onslaught early/keep it close, execute early in the passing game to open up the run, make some special teams plays, be at least +2 in turnovers (preferably with none of our own), run the ball down their throats late but sprinkle in some play-action and trickery deep/keep attacking the whole game.

In order to win, we're going to have to have to play as well for 4 quarters as we did in the second half against SF, and we have no margin for error. If we make mistakes, we lose.

Tall order.

[greg63]

A win.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by johnny961

I never insinuated this. I made the statement above in humor hoping for a win, but I would not be terribly disappointed if we lose a close game in a well played game. And, yes, for the most part, the Vegas oddsmakers DO know what they're doing. They get paid to do this for a living, and are usually right more times than not as far as win/loss goes. That being said, I've seen oddsmakers look stupid over the years when a heavily favored team choked. So these odds are not gospel either. And, from the looks of the poll, it looks like the majority here agree that a win here indicates progress. So I don't think my statement above was out of line.

jjeeeeezzzzz

[ElGringo]

I thought it was missing, so rechecked, nope, no option for a close loss. Keep it close with Indy pulling away at the end, means Indy still wins by a good chunk. Keep it close, but Indy wins, just keep it close, that is progress.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Rausch

Thank Christ you're not that guy in the glasses and cape.

**** he's an ugly bastard...

Just saw this one, FDE is going to have to kill ya now.