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tooge · 09-19-2011, 02:25 PM

Here are some of the most important games for us chiefs fans for the rest of the year. If they fall favorably for us, the chiefs get Luck, if not, well, I'd rather not think about it. Here are some of the games (look up the dates yourselves you lazy bastards)
KC/IND (this may be THE ONE)
MIA/CLE
SF/CIN
SF/SEA
JAX/CAR
STL/SEA
CAR/IND
DEN/MIA
SEA/CLE
IND/CIN
JAC/IND
MIA/KC
STL/CLE

Thats pretty much most of the cellar teams like our chiefs playing each other. We need as many chiefs losses and as many others wins as possible.

lcarus · 09-19-2011, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by zonachief

I understand your point, but the logic behind the "very few number one overall qbs win superbowls", statement is flawed. Its a pure numbers game. Since the superbowl era began there have been roughly 20 number one overall qbs taken #1. And all the other qbs taken with the number two overall pick and after have far greater odds to win the big one.

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A lot of great QBs have come in the first round, no matter what pick. That is an obvious statement, but my point is, no matter where we land in the draft, we have to take a QB with our first pick. It's gonna be a low pick. I don't give a shit if ESPNs reeruned little draft shopping list has the next available QB projected at 10 and we're sitting #4. We take him. It's way past due for this franchise to take a chance on a first round QB.

whoman69 · 09-19-2011, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by lcarus

I know what you're saying. You're right. Drafting a QB #1 overall doesn't always work out, but if we're gonna be bad (which....we're a terrible terrible team now especially with our injuries) why not be the worst? There are other QBs to get, I understand that. I just want the best bet. Luck is that guy. I'll take my chances with him.

Because the worst team usually have worse problems than just a QB. There is also going to be a learning curve for a rookie QB. Peyton won 3 games as a rookie, although guys like Rothliesburger and Ryan have bucked that trend, I don't think anyone would argue there weren't growing pains. Rothliesburger was a hand off QB and the Falcons also had one of the best run games in the league to help out Ryan.

If the Chiefs are the worst team in the league, Luck is a no-brainer. He's probably the closest thing to a sure thing there has been in awhile since he came back for his senior season and works with a pro style offense. If we get Luck or go with Stanzi we are going to need some additional tools around them. We cannot continue to try to use a butter knife as a screwdriver and call it good. This team has way too many holes to be a championship contender even if we find a QB.

ToxSocks · 09-19-2011, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by whoman69

Because the worst team usually have worse problems than just a QB. There is also going to be a learning curve for a rookie QB. Peyton won 3 games as a rookie, although guys like Rothliesburger and Ryan have bucked that trend, I don't think anyone would argue there weren't growing pains. Rothliesburger was a hand off QB and the Falcons also had one of the best run games in the league to help out Ryan.

If the Chiefs are the worst team in the league, Luck is a no-brainer. He's probably the closest thing to a sure thing there has been in awhile since he came back for his senior season and works with a pro style offense. If we get Luck or go with Stanzi we are going to need some additional tools around them. We cannot continue to try to use a butter knife as a screwdriver and call it good. This team has way too many holes to be a championship contender even if we find a QB.

And what are those holes, oh wise one?

58kcfan89 · 09-19-2011, 11:33 PM

Am I the only one who looked at KnowMo's post & wanted to reply, then saw who posted it & restrained myself?

Anyway, if any of those teams get more than 3 wins, you can pretty much take them out of the race. 0-16, 1-15 or 2-14 will be a good chance, but 3-13 or better is unlikely to net pick #1. Unless I missed something & Indy ruled out Peyton for the year, I could see him coming back & getting them a W or 3 at the end of the year. Miami's a decent team and should get some wins, but we play them and assuming we lose, can knock them down a peg. Most of the other teams listed just drafted a QB and likely wouldn't take Luck IMO (barring injury, or just really really really crappy play from their rookie QB).

Seattle's our biggest competition & my main concern, but since they play in such a garbage division, I can see them putting together 4 or so wins. Plus, Petey recruited/coached Barkley at USC and hasn't exactly made the most shrewd football moves since taking over in Seattle. I'm not saying he'd definitely take Barkley over Luck if given the chance, but there's a possibility IMO.

NJChiefsFan · 09-20-2011, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

Elway has ties to Stanford I bet he could get Luck to force a trade to Denver if he wants to.

So first you keep saying we aren't bad enough to get Luck. Now that we basically proved that we are in it for the long haul this is your next step?

First off wouldn't SF be the better bet for Luck throwing a fit?

Second, IF the Chiefs got the #1 pick there is NO way under any circumstances they would trade him to Denver.

NJChiefsFan · 09-20-2011, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by 58kcfan89

Am I the only one who looked at KnowMo's post & wanted to reply, then saw who posted it & restrained myself?

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I hesitated, did it anyway. I have not been here that long, but not trying to be funny, when I read his posts in my head its the voice of a 16yr old.

**ChiefGator** · 09-20-2011, 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by suds79

Here's what I see with Seattle.

Games where it's possible they could win:

Week 8 Home vs Bengals. Yes the Bengals looked decent this last week but they still have a rookie QB. Anything can happen.

Week 12 Home vs Redskins. Their QB is Rex Grossman. It's possible.

Week 14 Home vs Rams

Week 16 Home vs 49ers

I think you are overrating the Cardinals, and Browns by leaving them off that list.

And eventually Whitehurst will be inserted at QB and that team will then look ALOT better. Jackson is THAT bad.

**ChiefGator** · 09-20-2011, 03:05 AM

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Originally Posted by 58kcfan89

Unless I missed something & Indy ruled out Peyton for the year, I could see him coming back & getting them a W or 3 at the end of the year.

He's not coming back, but Collins and that team have to much pride to lose. Kerry Collins is still learning that offense. Either he will improve or Painter will be put in. They have alot of talent.. they will end up winning more games than us. Obviously, for anyone playing for the #1 pick, the Indy game ends up being huge. It's also the next game we have a chance of winning though.

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Originally Posted by 58kcfan89

Miami's a decent team and should get some wins, but we play them and assuming we lose, can knock them down a peg.

Yeah, they are a good team. They will begin winning at some point.

ngoc · 09-20-2011, 03:05 AM

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09-19-2011, 02:25 PM
tooge MVP Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Liberty, MO Casino cash: $754112	Ok, Chiefs hope boils down to this Here are some of the most important games for us chiefs fans for the rest of the year. If they fall favorably for us, the chiefs get Luck, if not, well, I'd rather not think about it. Here are some of the games (look up the dates yourselves you lazy bastards) KC/IND (this may be THE ONE) MIA/CLE SF/CIN SF/SEA JAX/CAR STL/SEA CAR/IND DEN/MIA SEA/CLE IND/CIN JAC/IND MIA/KC STL/CLE Thats pretty much most of the cellar teams like our chiefs playing each other. We need as many chiefs losses and as many others wins as possible.
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09-19-2011, 11:33 PM	#34
58kcfan89 Veteran Join Date: Mar 2009 Casino cash: $9673187	Am I the only one who looked at KnowMo's post & wanted to reply, then saw who posted it & restrained myself? Anyway, if any of those teams get more than 3 wins, you can pretty much take them out of the race. 0-16, 1-15 or 2-14 will be a good chance, but 3-13 or better is unlikely to net pick #1. Unless I missed something & Indy ruled out Peyton for the year, I could see him coming back & getting them a W or 3 at the end of the year. Miami's a decent team and should get some wins, but we play them and assuming we lose, can knock them down a peg. Most of the other teams listed just drafted a QB and likely wouldn't take Luck IMO (barring injury, or just really really really crappy play from their rookie QB). Seattle's our biggest competition & my main concern, but since they play in such a garbage division, I can see them putting together 4 or so wins. Plus, Petey recruited/coached Barkley at USC and hasn't exactly made the most shrewd football moves since taking over in Seattle. I'm not saying he'd definitely take Barkley over Luck if given the chance, but there's a possibility IMO.
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09-20-2011, 03:05 AM	#39
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