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**BossChief** · 12-07-2011, 11:54 PM

I started the year in full support of Haley. This team was developing into one of the better teams in football and were young across the board...despite being handcuffed to Matt Cassel. The growth in almost all of our young talent was apparent and easily recognizable.

His fiery attitude is infectious and the team plays with that emotion and passion. Haleys motivational skills are up there with about anyones.

For that, I was willing to overlook his mismanagement of situational football and a few other deficiencies that come with a first time coach and assumed that he would improve in those areas, with experience.

This is one hell of a hard season to judge because of the lack of an offseason. I am willing to give him a partial pass on the early part of the schedule because I still believe it was the right plan if we are looking at the long term big picture. It just sucks that we coincidentally ran into the injury bug at crucial positions early on.

All that said, his offense is embarrassing to watch while Romeos defense is seemingly entering GOD mode without, arguably, its best player. Everyone on earth (sans Haley, seemingly) can see that Palko has no place in the NFL and Haley is seemingly OK with betting half the year on him. I dont understand what Haley sees from a quarterback that has the weakest arm Ive ever seen in the NFL.

I still think that Haley deserves a shot at it with a real quarterback. This team is giving good effort and I think most agree it would be a contender with a real quarterback. Who could have this team in position to contend with these quarterbacks (Im not even gonna touch the Stanzi situation)?

I guess the way we deal with the remaining 4 games plays a lot into this, but at this point I think it would be a mistake to fire Haley either during or after this year, but I can see why someone would disagree with that opinion and thats why I want to see how a poll on this topic shakes out.

Do YOU think it would be a mistake to fire Todd Haley and replace him prior to next year?

htismaqe · 12-12-2011, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

I can't believe people are still attributing Cassel's "success" to Charles rather than Weis.

2009 weeks 9-17 with Charles starting - Cassel had 8 TDs to 11 INTs. Haley is the OC.
2010 weeks 9-17 with Charles starting - Cassel had 17 TDs to 4 INTs. Weis is the OC.

One of these things is not like the other. Yeah, Weiss had nothing at all to do with the offense looking like an NFL offense in 2010.

And other people are saying Palko could lead the Broncos to 6 straight wins just like Tebow?? Holy crap.

This place used to have semi-intelligent posters.

They played Denver twice in the 2nd half of 2009, when Denver had a top 10 defense.

They played Denver twice in the 2nd half of 2010, when they were ranked 32 out of 32 in both yards and scoring.

I won't spend the time spelling it all out here but bottom line is that the defenses in 2009 were roughly 10 spots BETTER overall than the defenses they played down the stretch in 2010.

Chiefnj2 · 12-12-2011, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

They played Denver twice in the 2nd half of 2009, when Denver had a top 10 defense.

They played Denver twice in the 2nd half of 2010, when they were ranked 32 out of 32 in both yards and scoring.

I won't spend the time spelling it all out here but bottom line is that the defenses in 2009 were roughly 10 spots BETTER overall than the defenses they played down the stretch in 2010.

So if Cassel didn't get hurt this year, he would have thrown for 3 or 4 TDs against the "horrible" Pats and Bears D this year? He would have kept KC competitive this coming week against a lowly ranked GB pass D? Sure.

htismaqe · 12-12-2011, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

So if Cassel didn't get hurt this year, he would have thrown for 3 or 4 TDs against the "horrible" Pats and Bears D this year? He would have kept KC competitive this coming week against a lowly ranked GB pass D? Sure.

Green Bay and New England have ridiculous offenses. Cassel has also struggled when facing those teams because he presses and makes mistakes.

jd1020 · 12-12-2011, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

well we will see who is right in about a month about haley.

Sucks to be you right now.

memyselfI · 12-12-2011, 01:59 PM

Who had that silly sig photo of Failey returning in 2012? Do they still have it?

Hammock Parties · 12-12-2011, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by memyselfI

Who had that silly sig photo of Failey returning in 2012? Do they still have it?

Chiefs and O's fan.

I own his sig now.

Titty Meat · 12-12-2011, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Omega

Chiefs and O's fan.

I own his sig now.

HEY CHIEFS AND O'S TELL ME HOW MY ASS TASTE!

JD10367 · 12-12-2011, 02:17 PM

A GM making questionable moves.
An owner who won't spend money.
A starting QB of inferior quality forced on the coach.
Injuries to your all-world RB and DB and solid young TE.

So, of course, the scapegoat is the coach.

memyselfI · 12-12-2011, 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JD10367

A GM making questionable moves.
An owner who won't spend money.
A starting QB of inferior quality forced on the coach.
Injuries to your all-world RB and DB and solid young TE.

So, of course, the scapegoat is the coach.

Because he was a known winner as HC before he landed this opportunity.

AndChiefs · 12-12-2011, 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JD10367

A GM making questionable moves.
An owner who won't spend money.
A starting QB of inferior quality forced on the coach.
Injuries to your all-world RB and DB and solid young TE.

So, of course, the scapegoat is the coach.

I agree. As has every non-chiefs fan I've talked to today.

View Poll Results: Would it be a mistake to fire Todd Haley?
yes, it would be a mistake. Haley deserves a shot with a healthy squad he built.	142	61.21%
No. Ive seen enough. Next, please.	79	34.05%
Im not voting in any of these things till I see what GAZ thinks.	11	4.74%
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12-07-2011, 11:54 PM
BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $-1595912	Would it be a mistake to fire Todd Haley? I started the year in full support of Haley. This team was developing into one of the better teams in football and were young across the board...despite being handcuffed to Matt Cassel. The growth in almost all of our young talent was apparent and easily recognizable. His fiery attitude is infectious and the team plays with that emotion and passion. Haleys motivational skills are up there with about anyones. For that, I was willing to overlook his mismanagement of situational football and a few other deficiencies that come with a first time coach and assumed that he would improve in those areas, with experience. This is one hell of a hard season to judge because of the lack of an offseason. I am willing to give him a partial pass on the early part of the schedule because I still believe it was the right plan if we are looking at the long term big picture. It just sucks that we coincidentally ran into the injury bug at crucial positions early on. All that said, his offense is embarrassing to watch while Romeos defense is seemingly entering GOD mode without, arguably, its best player. Everyone on earth (sans Haley, seemingly) can see that Palko has no place in the NFL and Haley is seemingly OK with betting half the year on him. I dont understand what Haley sees from a quarterback that has the weakest arm Ive ever seen in the NFL. I still think that Haley deserves a shot at it with a real quarterback. This team is giving good effort and I think most agree it would be a contender with a real quarterback. Who could have this team in position to contend with these quarterbacks (Im not even gonna touch the Stanzi situation)? I guess the way we deal with the remaining 4 games plays a lot into this, but at this point I think it would be a mistake to fire Haley either during or after this year, but I can see why someone would disagree with that opinion and thats why I want to see how a poll on this topic shakes out. Do YOU think it would be a mistake to fire Todd Haley and replace him prior to next year?
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12-12-2011, 02:17 PM	#923
JD10367 Cheaterlover* Join Date: May 2009 Location: RI Casino cash: $10010716	A GM making questionable moves. An owner who won't spend money. A starting QB of inferior quality forced on the coach. Injuries to your all-world RB and DB and solid young TE. So, of course, the scapegoat is the coach.
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