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dallaschiefsfan · 12-12-2011, 09:56 AM

We all know Pioli is staying. Clark won't fire him at this point. I think Pioli is probably a decent football guy, but not as good as advertised and is 100% to blame for the lack of depth. I'd rather Haley be able to finish what he started with a healthy club and better QB...but I'm pretty sure he's not going to be retained. Any talk of Clark being the problem is futility - he's the owner. He's not going anywhere.

So...knowing Pioli is probably staying and Haley is probably gone, what are the realisitic fixes for this organization/team that would also give you hope going forward?

FringeNC · 12-12-2011, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

I'm fairly certain Ferentz is a smart guy and wouldn't touch this cesspool of a mess with a 50-foot pole.

I'd prefer Ferentz to McDaniels, but no way Ferentz takes the job if Matt Cassel as starting QB is non-negotiable.

ChiefsCountry · 12-12-2011, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

You do realize that if you draft a QB in the first round there is like a 1 in 10 chance that he actually becomes a "Franchise QB", don't you?

You will most likely end up with a Joe Flacco, Josh Freeman, Bradford, Eli Manning, Matt Ryan, or a Stafford.... They are good and will get you 8-10 wins most years, but they will never be GREAT like Manning, Brady, Rodgers, or Brees.

Any of those guys and we would kick the Broncos ass and own this division for the next decade.

CaliforniaChief · 12-12-2011, 11:39 AM

Ferentz is emotionally stable, not prone to outbursts, and very low-key.

In other words, he's exactly the opposite of Todd Haley.

Chiefnj2 · 12-12-2011, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

You do realize that if you draft a QB in the first round there is like a 1 in 10 chance that he actually becomes a "Franchise QB", don't you?

You will most likely end up with a Joe Flacco, Josh Freeman, Bradford, Eli Manning, Matt Ryan, or a Stafford.... They are good and will get you 8-10 wins most years, but they will never be GREAT like Manning, Brady, Rodgers, or Brees.

That's okay. You need to make the playoffs to win the SB. Maybe they get "lucky" and get an Eli and win 2.

Dayze · 12-12-2011, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

You do realize that if you draft a QB in the first round there is like a 1 in 10 chance that he actually becomes a "Franchise QB", don't you?

You will most likely end up with a Joe Flacco, Josh Freeman, Bradford, Eli Manning, Matt Ryan, or a Stafford.... They are good and will get you 8-10 wins most years, but they will never be GREAT like Manning, Brady, Rodgers, or Brees.

good point. We'd better not even try. it's too risky.

burt · 12-12-2011, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by thawk

I think Haley stays too. Just my personal feeling no crystal ball here.

um, your personal feelings certainly are no crystal ball!

Quesadilla Joe · 12-12-2011, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Dayze

good point. We'd better not even try. it's too risky.

I'm just saying, why take a guy just to take a guy. I know I wouldn't want Denver to be stuck with Flacco or a Stafford for the next 10 years. I don't want a guy who is going to be just good enough not to be replaced.

ToxSocks · 12-12-2011, 11:48 AM

This is a pretty simple one for me. Draft a franchise QB.

My fan morale is pretty low right now and I am only expecting it to get worse. It's shaping up to be a pretty damn ugly off season.

Dayze · 12-12-2011, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

I'm just saying, why take a guy just to take a guy. I know I wouldn't want Denver to be stuck with Flacco or a Stafford for the next 10 years. I don't want a guy who is going to be just good enough not to be replaced.

but what if you get a Roethlisber, or Rogers, Manning, or even Newton at this point.
the risk is worth the reward IMO. and if it doesn't work, you draft another.

**Reaper16** · 12-12-2011, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Dayze

but what if you get a Roethlisber, or Rogers, Manning, or even Newton at this point.
the risk is worth the reward IMO. and if it doesn't work, you draft another.

There's literally no risk. The Chiefs have nothing left to lose.

Dayze · 12-12-2011, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16

There's literally no risk. The Chiefs have nothing left to lose.

yup

we've tried every other approach to winning a championship. time to do what good teams do and get a GD quarterback.

dallaschiefsfan · 12-12-2011, 12:12 PM

I'd like to see a PR/marketing/business overhaul as well. While this might make little impact to the most rabid fans, this is hugely important for the majority of those that comprise our fanbase. Yes...winning is the best way to do this. But winning last year did not change the fact that there seemed to be a lack of respect/concern for the average fan from the FO. There needs to be some damage control in this area.

Donovan needs to be replaced by someone that's more public. The head coach should not be the only public face of the team...especially if it's someone that's not too media savvy. The team needs someone that knows how to work the fanbase. Someone that will restore the proper sense of hate for the Raiders...restore the dread of Arrowhead into other teams and generally whip the fanbase into a frenzy.

While not the sexy move, I'm waiting to see if they fire Donovan.

**loochy** · 12-12-2011, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by thawk

I think Haley stays too. Just my personal feeling no crystal ball here. I also believe it has mor to do with GM than coach. That said, I think they all get another shot. Hope they get some O-line help and a servicable QB in the offseason.

Yeah, I think this too.

thawk · 12-12-2011, 01:25 PM

Guess I was all wrong, probably wont get O-Line help or a QB either. Oh well there is always curling!!!!

whoman69 · 12-12-2011, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief

1. Clark becomes convinced that the fans and their money will bolt if they don't get a franchise QB in the first round.

2. The entire coaching staff except for Romeo Crennel is fired and replaced.

3. A franchise QB is drafted in the first round, no matter what we have to do to acquire said QB.

4. Berry, Charles, and Moeaki heal back to form.

1. not realistic

2. Really? Overreaction. Promote Perles to Line Coach, keep Zorn, Parmalee, Carthon, Gibbs at a minimum.

3. Again overboard. This team has more needs and can't Ricky Williams their draft away. Depending where we're at I would put up 1st, 3rd and 4th to move up.

4. Not exactly under anyone's control.

12-12-2011, 09:56 AM
dallaschiefsfan Herm is the worst...horrible Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $3118850	What would give you hope that is also realistic? We all know Pioli is staying. Clark won't fire him at this point. I think Pioli is probably a decent football guy, but not as good as advertised and is 100% to blame for the lack of depth. I'd rather Haley be able to finish what he started with a healthy club and better QB...but I'm pretty sure he's not going to be retained. Any talk of Clark being the problem is futility - he's the owner. He's not going anywhere. So...knowing Pioli is probably staying and Haley is probably gone, what are the *realisitic* fixes for this organization/team that would also give you hope going forward?
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12-12-2011, 11:39 AM	#33
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12-12-2011, 11:48 AM	#38
ToxSocks Needs more middle fingers Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Diego Casino cash: $2123063	This is a pretty simple one for me. Draft a franchise QB. My fan morale is pretty low right now and I am only expecting it to get worse. It's shaping up to be a pretty damn ugly off season. __________________ Life is like a dick. Sometimes it gets hard for no reason, but it can't stay hard forever.
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12-12-2011, 12:12 PM	#42
dallaschiefsfan Herm is the worst...horrible Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $3118850	I'd like to see a PR/marketing/business overhaul as well. While this might make little impact to the most rabid fans, this is hugely important for the majority of those that comprise our fanbase. Yes...winning is the best way to do this. But winning last year did not change the fact that there seemed to be a lack of respect/concern for the average fan from the FO. There needs to be some damage control in this area. Donovan needs to be replaced by someone that's more public. The head coach should not be the only public face of the team...especially if it's someone that's not too media savvy. The team needs someone that knows how to work the fanbase. Someone that will restore the proper sense of hate for the Raiders...restore the dread of Arrowhead into other teams and generally whip the fanbase into a frenzy. While not the sexy move, I'm waiting to see if they fire Donovan. __________________
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12-12-2011, 01:25 PM	#44
thawk Starter Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: everywhere ! Casino cash: $8946783	Guess I was all wrong, probably wont get O-Line help or a QB either. Oh well there is always curling!!!!
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