Spinoff: Is the Chiefs organization distancing itself from Matt Cassel?

[Dante84]

Here's the facts:

- The Chiefs have never touched the subject of acquiring a new starting Quarterback outside of Matt before this offseason.... last week, even.

- Pioli reiterated that there "will be competition at the quarterback position. (That being said, he also said that Brodie, Thigpen, and Palko were 'competition' in the past).

- Romeo has spoken out twice in the past week about potential game changers like RG3, and Peyton Manning. He has also beat the drum for Kyle Orton and what he did last season.

- A story leaked last week regarding the Chiefs' rumored interest in acquiring Peyton Manning should he be available.

- The Chiefs interviewed the top 3 QB's at the combine (Luck, RG3, Tannehill).

- On the front page of the official Chiefs website, there is an interview with Greg Cosell, who essentially says that the Chiefs can't fully compete with Cassel at the helm. Again, this is on the Chiefs website...


Those facts considered, it appears that the organization might be attempting to untie the knot between Cassel and the starting QB spot. This is a major shift from the past. It brings to light a few questions:

1. Why?
- To win the media/public back?
- To attract/retain potential free agents that don't want to play with Cassel? (Bowe, TE's, Oline)

2 Why NOW?
- What strategic advantage does it pose to float these thoughts to the public?
- Does this hurt our case in FA or the draft, by showing our hand early?

And finally,

3. Will Pioli actually sack up and make a game-changing move?

[whoman69]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Every time you post, I get a little more hope.

Either you're going to turn me back into a homer or I'm gonna be super pissed at you when Cassel is the starter next year.

I'll be pissed at Pioli. If Matt Cassel is the starter this year, Pioli needs to be fired.

[talastan]

Originally Posted by Coogs

I wonder if item 4.1 has something to do with what is playing out. Last year, Fitzgerald pretty much told Arizona that they needed to upgrade the QB position if they wanted him to stay a Cardinal. And while it hasn't been publicly said, I wonder if Bowe may not be playing the same card with the Chiefs? I hope so.

I would love it if this were true; but knowing Pioli he'd probably just franchise Bowe and end the conversation at that point.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by talastan

I would love it if this were true; but knowing Pioli he'd probably just franchise Bowe and end the conversation at that point.

so how many times have you been to dinner with Pioli? Invited out with the fam?

surely you know him well enough to go out for a beer together .... ask him for us.

[talastan]

Originally Posted by Laz

so how many times have you been to dinner with Pioli? Invited out with the fam?

surely you know him well enough to go out for a beer together .... ask him for us.

I'm basing my observation on his past actions. How many times have you seen the Patriots cave in to the demands of a Player? How many times did Parcells/Belicheat/Haley give in to a player? These guys look at the players as employees. If Bowe was actually threatening to not sign a contract and hold out based on Cassel being the starter then from what I've seen in the past, Pioli would more than likely just franchise him at that point. However if I'm out and about and I see Scott sitting at the bar I'll be sure to buy him a drink and push Manning as an option.

[Epic Fail 007]

Originally Posted by Satanic Goat

I agree. After we finish 2-14 in 2012, Clark fires everyone, we get a new GM and HC next year, and they bring in a rookie QB.

So you want to start anther 5 yr plan? Come on now.

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by talastan

I would love it if this were true; but knowing Pioli he'd probably just franchise Bowe and end the conversation at that point.

Didn't Jackson from San Diego get franchised last season? Just because they get tagged doesn't mean everything is going to work out. Bowe could still ask to be traded/or not play under that scenario.

And compensation for a trade can be less than 1st rounders IIRC.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by eric007

So you want to start anther 5 yr plan? Come on now.

I don't want to pay income taxes, but that doesn't change the fact that I will inevitably have to do so.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by talastan

I'm basing my observation on his past actions. How many times have you seen the Patriots cave in to the demands of a Player? How many times did Parcells/Belicheat/Haley give in to a player? These guys look at the players as employees. If Bowe was actually threatening to not sign a contract and hold out based on Cassel being the starter then from what I've seen in the past, Pioli would more than likely just franchise him at that point. However if I'm out and about and I see Scott sitting at the bar I'll be sure to buy him a drink and push Manning as an option.

my smartass point was that everyone around here seems to have decided that they have a book on Pioli when they really don't.

1. nobody here really knows Pioli personally

2. In new england he drafted Brady his 1st year so we don't know what he would of done with QB's after that. Belichek/Pioli did cut bait with Bledsoe and go with a rookie(Brady) pretty quickly so as a pair they were aggressive. No reason for Pioli to draft a QB high after getting Brady.

3. As the Jet's pro personnel guy, Pioli was part of the process where they traded around and got four 1st round draft picks in the same draft and picked Shaun Ellis,John Abraham,Chad Pennington,Anthony Becht and Laveranues Coles with their top 5 picks. So he has drafted a QB in the 1st and he has been productive and aggressive.

4. For the Ravens in 1996(his only year there) he was part of the draft that picked. Jonathan Ogden,Ray Lewis and Jermaine Lewis .

5. in Pioli's 3rd year here he draft Stanzi in the 5th round. So he's not ignoring it.

all these people running around saying Pioli won't do this or that ... can't do this or hasn't done/proven shit are blowing smoke and spouting bullshit.

overreaction FTL

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by BoneKrusher

^^kinda like my feelings.
I've never wanted a football player NOT to wear the Red and Gold as much as Mark Castle.
but until Peyton Manning has signed elsewhere, I can live in my own little fantasyland.

Raised on Riots?