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Old 11-07-2013, 01:51 PM  
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Police stun stepdad trying to save son from fire
ST. LOUIS (AP) — The family of a 3-year-old killed in a northern Missouri house fire says it is outraged after police used a stun gun on the boy's stepfather as he tried to run back in and save the child.

Riley Miller died early Oct. 31 in the Mississippi River town of Louisiana. A city police officer fired his stun gun at Ryan Miller as he tried to re-enter his burning home, which was destroyed.

Grandmother Lori Miller says she witnessed two officers use the stun gun three times, twice after Ryan Miller had been handcuffed.

Miller suffered chest burns and was later released from the city jail without being charged.

The family says it is considering legal action against the city.

City Administrator Bob Jenne called the police response a "judgment call."

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Old 11-07-2013, 05:09 PM   #76
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I have 3 daughters, moron.
I stand corrected, I have 3 boys myself and there isn't a force on this earth that could stop me from doing everything in my power including sacrificing my own life to protect them. As was said earlier, I would rather die trying than live knowing I did not.
I made a choice to be willing to sacrifice my life for this country, the **** if I wouldn't do the same for my family. I love them and don't even like most of the people in this country.
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Old 11-07-2013, 05:12 PM   #77
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**** that, if my child is in a burning house I'm doing everything I can to get them out, if I die trying so be it but Id rather die trying than live knowing I didn't try. Anyone else can get bent.
This. I'm going in. At that moment, nothing else matters.
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Old 11-07-2013, 05:15 PM   #78
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It is their job. To serve and protect is what they are supposed to do. If the house is a raging inferno and they know it is a suicide mission for the father to enter the house, they have an obligation to stop him.
Actually they don't. The US Supreme Court has even ruled on this issue. Police have no obligation to protect the citizens. Also, "to serve and protect" was the motto for the LAPD and nothing more. It is not the duty of police.
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Old 11-07-2013, 05:24 PM   #79
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Too many liberal lovers here saying cops should decide what's best for us. If he wanted to go back in that's his choice.
if it's any consolation, i would definitely let you go back inside a burning building
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Old 11-07-2013, 05:28 PM   #80
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Say it goes down like this:

"Police fail to stop a man from going into a burning house to try to save his stepson. Both the man and the child were killed in the blaze.

The family is demanding an investigation in to how the police could let the man, who is not trained to enter a burning house, go in to his death."

You could see it going both ways. I think it just sucks, the cops probably did save his life, but damn...it just sucks...
An investigation but probably not a lawsuit. I don't pity Police Officers, they have extremely difficult jobs that are thankless most of the time. He made the right decision going by the rule that 2 lives lost is worse than 1 life lost. I sympathize with both parties.
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Old 11-07-2013, 05:32 PM   #81
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Actually they don't. The US Supreme Court has even ruled on this issue. Police have no obligation to protect the citizens. Also, "to serve and protect" was the motto for the LAPD and nothing more. It is not the duty of police.
I'll be damned. I can admit when I'm wrong. I couldn't find any cases like this one, but I did read the Supreme Court ruling.

It doesn't change my opinion that I believe the police did he right thing in this particular situation (would've liked to see them restrain the stepfather without the taser). It sucks either way, but one person dead instead of two is the better outcome.
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Old 11-07-2013, 05:35 PM   #82
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All I will say is this....we made heroes and deservedly so, out of the cops and firefighters that ran into the two towers and lost their lives trying to save people they didn't know.

This man was prevented from doing the same for his own son or step son in this case.

I think I have to side with those who say I wouldn't have even given a second thought to going in and saving my Son, even if it meant we both don't come out.
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Old 11-07-2013, 05:38 PM   #83
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All I will say is this....we made heroes and deservedly so, out of the cops and firefighters that ran into the two towers and lost their lives trying to save people they didn't know.

This man was prevented from doing the same for his own son or step son in this case.

I think I have to side with those who say I wouldn't have even given a second thought to going in and saving my Son, even if it meant we both don't come out.
No one is giving the father shit for trying to go back in. But demonizing the cops for trying to save another life is ****ing reeruned.
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Old 11-07-2013, 05:40 PM   #84
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No one is giving the father shit for trying to go back in. But demonizing the cops for trying to save another life is ****ing reeruned.
Let me rephrase, I agree that I did not word that as intended. If I were a Cop I'd let the guy go try and save his son.
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The only thing that is questionable is the use of the tazers. But I'm sure the cops knew that it was going to take multiple cops just to hold the guy back...and then they're risking injury trying to keep him from going back in.

So question....do you let the kid's 16 year old brother run back in?
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Old 11-08-2013, 09:57 PM   #86
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We can all talk about what we would or would not do in that situation. I can't imagine myself NOT going back into the house for either of my two children. I also can't imagine leaving in the first place without everyone in front of me. I'm NOT saying the guy didn't care about the kid. He made a split decision to get his wife out and then tried to go back for the stepson. I wasn't there, I have no idea what the **** was going on in that chaos. What I'm sure of is that the guy is probably going over everything in his mind on how he might have done things differently. Maybe some of those cops are as well. Cops are not robots, they are human beings. I err on the side of this was a ****ing horrible situation, everyone involved made split second decisions based on what their minds allowed for at the time. I pray for this man and his wife and the soul of that poor child.

It. Just. Sucks. That is all...
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I sincerely hope I never get put in the same circumstances. However, there's no doubt in my mind I'd run back into the house if a child were still inside. The burns will eventually heal, but I couldn't live with myself knowing I didn't make an attempt to save a childs life.
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