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Old 01-20-2014, 12:20 AM  
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Somebody explain this nonsense to me.
As we all know, I am not a very smart person.

So in a recent thread, with Just Passin' By posted a link about Brandon Flowers' contract specifics (to answer the question "how much would we save against the cap if we cut Flowers"), I, of course, became flummoxed.

Here's the link.

So, I want you to pretend you're talking to your 12 year old son (I like to think of myself as ChiefsPlanet's 12 year old son, anyway):

What do these words mean?
  • Base Salary
  • Prorated Bonus
  • Roster Bonus
  • Workout Bonus
  • Other Bonus
  • Cap Number
  • Dead Money
  • Cap Savings
Also:
  • What's the difference between Cap Flow and Cash Flow?
  • What's a Cash Bonus?
  • What's a Cash Number?
  • What's Cash-To-Cash?
  • What the hell is on this page?
I thank you for your time.
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Old 01-20-2014, 11:42 AM   #46
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Thats why I was thinking he'd be a candidate to be cut after 14 if he doesn't have a good year.
He's a candidate to be cut because his dead money hit (based on prorated signing bonus) is $9M. I'm seeing now that maybe he's also guaranteed $1.5M in 2015.

If you keep him, he'll cost you $3M against the cap on the signing bonus, $10M against the cap for his base salary, $250K against the cap for a workout bonus.

CAP CONSEQUENCE:
Keep him = $13.25M (plus incentives)
Cut him = $10.5M
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Old 01-20-2014, 11:42 AM   #47
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He'll either be cut, or restructured at that point.
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Old 01-20-2014, 11:48 AM   #48
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He'll either be cut, or restructured at that point.
Probably restructured.

It always drives me crazy when people talk about players "taking one for the team" by restructuring. No. Restructuring happens because it's a win-win. The team converts cap-heavy parts of the contract into cap-friendly by spreading it out over several years, while the player benefits because it's harder to cut him.
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Old 01-20-2014, 11:53 AM   #49
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Restructuring doesn't cost the player any money, so yeah, that seems like a dumb thing to say.
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Old 01-20-2014, 11:55 AM   #50
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Adding Maclin, Chris Clemons, Ebron/whicheverTEfallstoyou, and Donald Butler would probably send me into a frenzy.
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Old 01-20-2014, 11:55 AM   #51
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Yeah, that's why I get. He'd be gone by spring.. But that contract is terrible. Who would we actually been in competition with to sign him? Are what I worry about with Dorsey... Daniels, Robinson, Bowe... In that order they get worse...
eh... 2-14 to 11-5/playoffs in a strong division. Not so worried about the $$. Players get overpaid all the time in the NFL. Dorsey did overpay for some, but he got players here and that's what this team needed.

Bowe's contract is bad, but there was no way to predict that he'd play that poorly after getting paid. It seems pretty obvious by his comments after the season that the FO talked to him about his performance. He said he's going to lose weight and work on his speed to better fit into this offense. Whether or not he follows thru is anyone's guess.
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Old 01-20-2014, 11:56 AM   #52
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Adding Maclin, Chris Clemons, Ebron/whicheverTEfallstoyou, and Donald Butler would probably send me into a frenzy.
me too
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Old 01-20-2014, 11:59 AM   #53
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Restructuring doesn't cost the player any money, so yeah, that seems like a dumb thing to say.
Right. There's usually no loss or gain of money for either side. They're just moving numbers around.
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Old 01-20-2014, 12:04 PM   #54
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eh... 2-14 to 11-5/playoffs in a strong division. Not so worried about the $$. Players get overpaid all the time in the NFL. Dorsey did overpay for some, but he got players here and that's what this team needed.

Bowe's contract is bad, but there was no way to predict that he'd play that poorly after getting paid. It seems pretty obvious by his comments after the season that the FO talked to him about his performance. He said he's going to lose weight and work on his speed to better fit into this offense. Whether or not he follows thru is anyone's guess.
I'm not a big fan of this approach. How many times has this model actually worked? The best approach is to build from within and focus most of your cap dollars on keeping good players, instead of overpaying for other people's scraps.
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Old 01-20-2014, 12:05 PM   #55
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I'm more of a use FA to fill holes, opening up the draft to take BPA, type guy.
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Old 01-20-2014, 12:10 PM   #56
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I'm not a big fan of this approach. How many times has this model actually worked? The best approach is to build from within and focus most of your cap dollars on keeping good players, instead of overpaying for other people's scraps.
Dorsey and Reid have both stated that they believe in building thru the draft. I think they did what they needed to do in order to eliminate the stench left by the last regime. Now that they have a year under their belt, I think you'll see more of an emphasis on the draft. (On a lesser note, they also had to give up picks to get the QB they wanted, so FA became even more of a necessity. Getting rid of Cassel may have been one of the best personnel moves in franchise...er...NFL history.)
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I'm the most bothered by the Robinson deal... I don't know why, really. He's terrible and it didn't break the bank, but damn did he not do shit this year, or what? He got money for nothing. Bowe is overpaid, yeah... But looking at previous years, he fit the bill for a decent number one...
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Old 01-20-2014, 12:18 PM   #58
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It's crazy to think that they were slated to pay 12 million next year to Chase Daniel, Dustin Colquitt and Dunta Robinson.

Honestly, I'd have probably let all 3 go elsewhere and drafted a punter.
He did what he had to do. We had nothing behind Smith and at the time....we had no legitimate NB.
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I'm the most bothered by the Robinson deal... I don't know why, really. He's terrible and it didn't break the bank, but damn did he not do shit this year, or what? He got money for nothing. Bowe is overpaid, yeah... But looking at previous years, he fit the bill for a decent number one...
Agree. They took a chance on Robinson and it didn't work out. That said, they got a surprise in Cooper, who hopefully makes the sophomore jump next year. Look at what Dorsey/Reid saw at CB when they came in:

1. Stanford Routt (currently unemployed)
2. Javier Arenas (backup / Special Teams AZ)
3. Jacques Reeves (currently unemployed)
4. Neiko Thorpe (currently unemployed)

That's F'd up.
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Old 01-20-2014, 12:29 PM   #60
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Dorsey and Reid have both stated that they believe in building thru the draft. I think they did what they needed to do in order to eliminate the stench left by the last regime. Now that they have a year under their belt, I think you'll see more of an emphasis on the draft. (On a lesser note, they also had to give up picks to get the QB they wanted, so FA became even more of a necessity. Getting rid of Cassel may have been one of the best personnel moves in franchise...er...NFL history.)
Yup. Fully agree.
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