Chiefs Allen Bailey - Page 5

jonzie04 · 10-26-2014, 07:20 PM

Is now tied with hali for 4 sacks on the season. And now has tied sacks from Jackson and Devito last year combined. What do you guys think of him? he's literally the opposite of Jackson/devito, he isn't very impressive against the run, but has turned out to be a solid pass rusher. i think he's the biggest difference maker amongst our dline this year, the interior pressure has been great. Its unfortunate he waited this long to pan out. do you guys think we'll be able to resign him? What kind of money do you guys think he's worth, or will end up getting? I have to think, if he keeps piling up sacks, he could at least fetch 7 million a year minimum somewhere, if jackson got 5 mill...

Hoover · 10-27-2014, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I don't think we will make many painful cuts. I'm sure and hope at some point, we start trimming the fat of the stopgaps Dorsey brought in year 1. But our cap situation improves dramatically after this year and two years from now looks great.

I am sure we are done with the flashy free agency moves and will see much more reliance on signing our own and using the draft and scrap pile to fill in the rest. Keep in mind Reid had an interview where he specifically said he likes keeping players for continuity purposes. So I'm guessing that if you're still in house, Reid is going to make the case for that person to stay.

The cuts I'm talking about are for guys like Avery, Walker, Devito, Mays, and Fasano

**Saul Good** · 10-27-2014, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

I've argued that the Chiefs need to spend money to keep Houston, Hudson, Bailey, Vickerson, Josh Martin, Sherman, Demetrius Harris, Mauga, Chris Owens, and Gafford back.

This is a winning squad. We just need to extend Hali, have a really good draft class, and somehow get a #2 WR.

Why would we extend Hali?

Hootie · 10-27-2014, 02:32 PM

I could envision us giving Hali a revised deal

**Saul Good** · 10-27-2014, 02:37 PM

I hope not. Pay him his $12,000,000 next year and let him walk or cut him and save $9,000,000. He's just starting to show his age, and I'd rather let him go a year too soon than a year too late.

RINGLEADER · 10-27-2014, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good

I hope not. Pay him his $12,000,000 next year and let him walk or cut him and save $9,000,000. He's just starting to show his age, and I'd rather let him go a year too soon than a year too late.

It's an insufficient pool from which to render a real conclusion (especially since the Rams were playing from behind with a bunch of replacements) but Dee Ford looked decent during his time in the fourth quarter. Hopefully he continues to mature in the role as "guy opposite Houston" and thereby renders the Hali questions moot.

ThaVirus · 10-27-2014, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good

Why would we extend Hali?

I'm not a cap guru like some guys on here but it seems we could extend him and actually lower his cap hit this coming season.

Of course, he'd have to agree to taking a pay cut for that to work. Dorsey would also have to feel that he's worth keeping around at a cheaper, but probably still pretty expensive relatively speaking, price while his most recent 1st rounder rides the pine.

I love Hali but I just can't see that happening.

**Rausch** · 10-27-2014, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus

I'm not a cap guru like some guys on here but it seems we could extend him and actually lower his cap hit this coming season.

Of course, he'd have to agree to taking a pay cut for that to work. Dorsey would also have to feel that he's worth keeping around at a cheaper, but probably still pretty expensive relatively speaking, price while his most recent 1st rounder rides the pine.

I love Hali but I just can't see that happening.

Dorsey drafted Ford because he has no intentions of keeping Hali...

chiefzilla1501 · 10-27-2014, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus

I'm not a cap guru like some guys on here but it seems we could extend him and actually lower his cap hit this coming season.

Of course, he'd have to agree to taking a pay cut for that to work. Dorsey would also have to feel that he's worth keeping around at a cheaper, but probably still pretty expensive relatively speaking, price while his most recent 1st rounder rides the pine.

I love Hali but I just can't see that happening.

I'm with Saul on this.

Hali is a good guy. But he knows this is his last contract. He is going to negotiate a contract that pays him a shitload of money well into his twilight years. Yeah, it will be cap friendly short-term, but we'll ultimately be overpaying him when he turns 33 and up.

If we can get a short-term deal that is realistic about his value as he starts to decline, great. I don't see that happening. So yeah, I think $12M for him next year is fair value but after that, cut your losses.

chiefzilla1501 · 10-27-2014, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoover

The cuts I'm talking about are for guys like Avery, Walker, Devito, Mays, and Fasano

Yeah, I think the moves we've made have made most of those guys (except maybe Avery, who would still be a good backup for a reasonable price) expendable. Probably need to add one more TE and ILB, which we can address with the gazillion draft picks we have.

kcxiv · 10-27-2014, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

Dorsey drafted Ford because he has no intentions of keeping Hali...

We did the same with Albert. Im ok with that. Hali is getting up there in age. He's a good guy, but at some point you gotta part ways.

ThaVirus · 10-27-2014, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I'm with Saul on this.

Hali is a good guy. But he knows this is his last contract. He is going to negotiate a contract that pays him a shitload of money well into his twilight years. Yeah, it will be cap friendly short-term, but we'll ultimately be overpaying him when he turns 33 and up.

If we can get a short-term deal that is realistic about his value as he starts to decline, great. I don't see that happening. So yeah, I think $12M for him next year is fair value but after that, cut your losses.

Truth here, which is exactly why I don't see it happening.

10-26-2014, 07:20 PM
jonzie04 MVP Join Date: Feb 2014 Casino cash: $5716817	Allen Bailey Is now tied with hali for 4 sacks on the season. And now has tied sacks from Jackson and Devito last year combined. What do you guys think of him? he's literally the opposite of Jackson/devito, he isn't very impressive against the run, but has turned out to be a solid pass rusher. i think he's the biggest difference maker amongst our dline this year, the interior pressure has been great. Its unfortunate he waited this long to pan out. do you guys think we'll be able to resign him? What kind of money do you guys think he's worth, or will end up getting? I have to think, if he keeps piling up sacks, he could at least fetch 7 million a year minimum somewhere, if jackson got 5 mill...
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