Gretz nailed this one..... we are pretenders. ( at least for now )

ROYC75 · 10-03-2005, 10:51 AM

GRETZ: That's What a Contender Looks Like
Oct 03, 2005, 6:00:34 AM by Bob Gretz - FAQ

So that’s what a Super Bowl caliber team looks like.

The Philadelphia Eagles came into Arrowhead Stadium on Sunday, spotted the Chiefs an 18-point lead and then roared from behind to gain a 37-31 victory that only a few teams in this league could pull off, especially on the road.

A team has to be battle-tested, confident, maybe even cocky to be able to spot the home team that kind of lead and still win the game.

That’s what the Eagles are right now. They are everything the Chiefs are not. Yes, the home team came roaring out of the blocks with a great first quarter, even a good first 10 minutes of the second quarter. They were up 17-0, even blocked a field goal of the Eagles and with four minutes, 47 seconds to go, they were in control of the game.

That’s when the Chiefs went to the well one too many times. They went several times to an empty backfield alignment, with two tight ends and three wide receivers. One of the first times they used this was a quick strike throw to Eddie Kennison that got into the end zone and made the score 17-0. The next time they used this set, Trent Green was sacked because the Eagles played the alignment and jumped the quick routes.

The next time they went to this empty backfield set, Sheldon Brown disguised his coverage and stepped into the quick throw and returned it 40 yards for a score. Now, it was 17-6, as the Eagles missed the PAT.

Dante Hall pushed the momentum back to the Chiefs with a kickoff return for a touchdown, but then Larry Johnson got crushed on the next possession and coughed up the football. Philly recovered and five plays later, Donovan McNabb hit Terrell Owens for a touchdown.

The game was over at that point. For the rest of the second quarter and then the entire second half, the Eagles controlled the game. They did it by controlling the line of scrimmage. The Philly defensive line dominated the Chiefs offensive line, simply dominated them. There were no rushing yards between the tackles all day, and anything the Chiefs were able to get, largely with Priest Holmes (18 carries for 84 yards) was on the perimeter, and that was only in the first half. The Chiefs ran the ball seven times for 40 yards in the second half.

Where the Eagles dominated was in never allowing the Chiefs to get into any rhythm with their passing game. Green threw all his passes on one, three and sometimes five-step drops. He never dropped back and surveyed the field like he usually does, because there wasn’t time. Sometimes there wasn’t even time on the three-step drops. While he wasn’t hit as often as he was in Denver on Monday night, Green had less time to throw than that game.

For awhile the Chiefs were winning on special teams, with Hall’s TD return, a blocked field goal by Eric Hicks and a fumble recovery on kickoff return. But eventually the Eagles got that part of their game straightened out and they gave up nothing in the kicking game from then on.

Here’s the simple equation: the Eagles are the better team. In this case, the much better team. The Chiefs are not of their caliber. Dick Vermeil and his team could have walked away from this game with the same score and felt better about everything had it not played out the way it did.

But how can you take anything positive out of gaining a 17-point lead, and then seeing an opponent roar back with 31 unanswered points and dominating the game?

No, there’s no way to paint this picture in pretty colors. The Eagles are what the Chiefs hope, dream and are working to be. We saw Sunday that there’s still a long way to go before they can consider themselves contenders.

The Eagles are contenders. The Chiefs are pretenders.

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DING DING ...... Wake Up call for the KC players and coaches.

**Bowser** · 10-03-2005, 10:52 AM

Gretz isn't a real fan. Rufus says so.

keg in kc · 10-03-2005, 10:53 AM

He said the same thing during the broadcast. Bob Moore's head must have exploded or something.

10-03-2005, 10:55 AM

How is it Gretz is just now coming around to our way of thinking? He's been drinking the koolaid for the past couple years and now this....

**dirk digler** · 10-03-2005, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Phobia

How is it Gretz is just now coming around to our way of thinking? He's been drinking the koolaid for the past couple years and now this....

That's what happens when he spends all of his time here.

chiefqueen · 10-03-2005, 11:48 AM

I think Carl's seeing the writing on the wall. This is a 5-11 team he's put together that will have to be torn apart & built from scratch after the season. This is a 4-5 year project and at age 64 (next year) I don't think CP will want to oversee it.

I think Gretz realizes this and realizes his writing must become more objective because he will be job hunting in 3-4 months.

**gblowfish** · 10-03-2005, 11:52 AM

Gretz was expecting free Cheesesteaks. When they didn't materialize in the press room after the game, he turned his pen into a weapon.

Don't mess with Gretz and Cheesesteaks. Big mistake.

Shag · 10-03-2005, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by ROYC75

The Chiefs ran the ball seven times for 40 yards in the second half.

The #1 reason we lost the game. The Chiefs dominated the ground game in the first quarter, then inexplicably, they abandoned it. When you're up 17-0, and the running game is working, you ride it the rest of the way...

**Dunit35** · 10-03-2005, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Shag

The #1 reason we lost the game. The Chiefs dominated the ground game in the first quarter, then inexplicably, they abandoned it. When you're up 17-0, and the running game is working, you ride it the rest of the way...

I didnt know we only ran the ball 7 times for 40 yards...WTF... why...?..I would be concerned about giving the rock to LJ..cant hold on to the ball...

htismaqe · 10-03-2005, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefqueen

I think Carl's seeing the writing on the wall. This is a 5-11 team he's put together that will have to be torn apart & built from scratch after the season. This is a 4-5 year project and at age 64 (next year) I don't think CP will want to oversee it.

I think Gretz realizes this and realizes his writing must become more objective because he will be job hunting in 3-4 months.

I think a good disciplinarian coach could still salvage something from this roster...look at it. Larry Johnson and DJ alone are something to build around.

There's some talent on this team that just needs to be used properly.

jidar · 10-03-2005, 12:04 PM

Might have had something to do with all of those 3 and outs.

**BigRedChief** · 10-03-2005, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Phobia

How is it Gretz is just now coming around to our way of thinking? He's been drinking the koolaid for the past couple years and now this....

Maybe he really does have some inside info that King Carl is leaving with DV at years end and is positioning himself for a job with the new GM?

htismaqe · 10-03-2005, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Maybe he really does have some inside info that King Carl is leaving with DV at years end and is positioning himself for a job with the new GM?

That's our hope right there.

**Dunit35** · 10-03-2005, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefqueen

I think Carl's seeing the writing on the wall. This is a 5-11 team he's put together that will have to be torn apart & built from scratch after the season. This is a 4-5 year project and at age 64 (next year) I don't think CP will want to oversee it.

I think Gretz realizes this and realizes his writing must become more objective because he will be job hunting in 3-4 months.

the way this is going so far...just about everyone should be looking for a new job..

cowboys still suck · 10-03-2005, 12:42 PM

i still think the chiefs should win the afc west. broncos are inconsistant no matter what their fans tell you. the raiders are a product of media hype, and the chargers looked great the past 2 games, but they looked like garbage the first 2 games. their secondary is still a question mark... as is their pass rush.

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ROYC75 Time For Your Wake Up Call !!! Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Barn Yard Casino cash: $2277400	Gretz nailed this one..... we are pretenders. ( at least for now ) GRETZ: That's What a Contender Looks Like Oct 03, 2005, 6:00:34 AM by Bob Gretz - FAQ So that’s what a Super Bowl caliber team looks like. The Philadelphia Eagles came into Arrowhead Stadium on Sunday, spotted the Chiefs an 18-point lead and then roared from behind to gain a 37-31 victory that only a few teams in this league could pull off, especially on the road. A team has to be battle-tested, confident, maybe even cocky to be able to spot the home team that kind of lead and still win the game. That’s what the Eagles are right now. They are everything the Chiefs are not. Yes, the home team came roaring out of the blocks with a great first quarter, even a good first 10 minutes of the second quarter. They were up 17-0, even blocked a field goal of the Eagles and with four minutes, 47 seconds to go, they were in control of the game. That’s when the Chiefs went to the well one too many times. They went several times to an empty backfield alignment, with two tight ends and three wide receivers. One of the first times they used this was a quick strike throw to Eddie Kennison that got into the end zone and made the score 17-0. The next time they used this set, Trent Green was sacked because the Eagles played the alignment and jumped the quick routes. The next time they went to this empty backfield set, Sheldon Brown disguised his coverage and stepped into the quick throw and returned it 40 yards for a score. Now, it was 17-6, as the Eagles missed the PAT. Dante Hall pushed the momentum back to the Chiefs with a kickoff return for a touchdown, but then Larry Johnson got crushed on the next possession and coughed up the football. Philly recovered and five plays later, Donovan McNabb hit Terrell Owens for a touchdown. The game was over at that point. For the rest of the second quarter and then the entire second half, the Eagles controlled the game. They did it by controlling the line of scrimmage. The Philly defensive line dominated the Chiefs offensive line, simply dominated them. There were no rushing yards between the tackles all day, and anything the Chiefs were able to get, largely with Priest Holmes (18 carries for 84 yards) was on the perimeter, and that was only in the first half. The Chiefs ran the ball seven times for 40 yards in the second half. Where the Eagles dominated was in never allowing the Chiefs to get into any rhythm with their passing game. Green threw all his passes on one, three and sometimes five-step drops. He never dropped back and surveyed the field like he usually does, because there wasn’t time. Sometimes there wasn’t even time on the three-step drops. While he wasn’t hit as often as he was in Denver on Monday night, Green had less time to throw than that game. For awhile the Chiefs were winning on special teams, with Hall’s TD return, a blocked field goal by Eric Hicks and a fumble recovery on kickoff return. But eventually the Eagles got that part of their game straightened out and they gave up nothing in the kicking game from then on. Here’s the simple equation: the Eagles are the better team. In this case, the much better team. The Chiefs are not of their caliber. Dick Vermeil and his team could have walked away from this game with the same score and felt better about everything had it not played out the way it did. But how can you take anything positive out of gaining a 17-point lead, and then seeing an opponent roar back with 31 unanswered points and dominating the game? No, there’s no way to paint this picture in pretty colors. The Eagles are what the Chiefs hope, dream and are working to be. We saw Sunday that there’s still a long way to go before they can consider themselves contenders. The Eagles are contenders. The Chiefs are pretenders. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ DING DING ...... Wake Up call for the KC players and coaches.
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cowboys still suck Rookie Join Date: Oct 2005 Casino cash: $10004900	i still think the chiefs should win the afc west. broncos are inconsistant no matter what their fans tell you. the raiders are a product of media hype, and the chargers looked great the past 2 games, but they looked like garbage the first 2 games. their secondary is still a question mark... as is their pass rush.
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