Hines Ward Hall of Famer?

KingPriest2 · 02-05-2006, 11:39 PM

Career leader for a WR for Pittsburgh and a MVP of XL

4-time Pro Bowler: 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004
Rushing | Receiving |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| 1998 pit | 16 | 1 13 13.0 0 | 15 246 16.4 0 |
| 1999 pit | 16 | 2 -2 -1.0 0 | 61 638 10.5 7 |
| 2000 pit | 16 | 4 53 13.2 0 | 48 672 14.0 4 |
| 2001 pit | 16 | 10 83 8.3 0 | 94 1003 10.7 4 |
| 2002 pit | 16 | 12 142 11.8 0 | 112 1329 11.9 12 |
| 2003 pit | 16 | 11 61 5.5 0 | 95 1163 12.2 10 |
| 2004 pit | 16 | 7 25 3.6 1 | 80 1004 12.6 4 |
| 2005 pit | 15 | 3 10 3.3 0 | 69 975 14.1 11 |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| TOTAL | 127 | 50 385 7.7 1 | 574 7030 12.2 52 |
Seasons among the league's top 10
Receptions: 2001-8, 2002-2, 2003-5t
Receiving yards: 2002-4, 2003-9
Receiving TDs: 2002-2, 2003-4t, 2005-3t
Rush/Receive TDs: 2002-10
Hines Ward is not in the all-time top 50 in any major category.
Year Opp Result | RSH YD TD | REC YD TD
---------------------+-----------------+-----------------
2001 bal W,27-10 | 1 6 0 | 3 37 0
2001 nwe L,17-24 | 1 -2 0 | 6 64 0
2002 cle W,36-33 | 1 4 0 | 11 104 1
2002 ten L,31-34 | 2 1 0 | 7 82 2
2004 nyj W,20-17 | 0 0 0 | 10 105 1
2004 nwe L,27-41 | 0 0 0 | 5 109 1
2005 cin W,31-17 | 0 0 0 | 2 10 1
2005 ind W,21-18 | 0 0 0 | 3 68 0
2005 den W,34-17 | 1 4 0 | 5 59 1
*2005 sea W,21-10 | 1 18 0 | 5 123 1---------------------+-----------------+-----------------
TOTAL | 7 31 0 | 57 761 8

Compared to Lynn Swann
3-time Pro Bowler: 1975, 1977, 1978
+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| Rushing | Receiving |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| 1974 pit | 11 | 1 14 14.0 0 | 11 208 18.9 2 |
| 1975 pit | 14 | 3 13 4.3 0 | 49 781 15.9 11 |
| 1976 pit | 12 | 1 2 2.0 0 | 28 516 18.4 3 |
| 1977 pit | 14 | 2 6 3.0 0 | 50 789 15.8 7 |
| 1978 pit | 16 | 1 7 7.0 0 | 61 880 14.4 11 |
| 1979 pit | 13 | 1 9 9.0 1 | 41 808 19.7 5 |
| 1980 pit | 13 | 1 -4 -4.0 0 | 44 710 16.1 7 |
| 1981 pit | 13 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 34 505 14.9 5 |
| 1982 pit | 9 | 1 25 25.0 0 | 18 265 14.7 0 |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| TOTAL | 115 | 11 72 6.5 1 | 336 5462 16.3 51 |

Seasons among the league's top 10
Receptions: 1977-7t, 1978-7t
Receiving yards: 1975-8, 1977-4, 1978-7
Receiving TDs: 1975-1t, 1977-6t, 1978-2
Rush/Receive TDs: 1975-7t, 1978-5t

Lynn Swann is not in the all-time top 50 in any major category.

Year Opp Result | RSH YD TD | REC YD TD
---------------------+-----------------+-----------------
1975 bal W,28-10 | 0 0 0 | 2 15 0
1975 oak W,16-10 | 0 0 0 | 2 45 0
*1975 dal W,21-17 | 0 0 0 | 4 161 1
1976 bal W,40-14 | 0 0 0 | 5 77 2
1976 oak L,7-24 | 0 0 0 | 3 58 0
1977 den L,21-34 | 0 0 0 | 1 6 0
1978 den W,33-10 | 0 0 0 | 2 52 1
1978 hou W,34-5 | 0 0 0 | 4 98 1
*1978 dal W,35-31 | 0 0 0 | 7 124 1
1979 mia W,34-14 | 0 0 0 | 3 37 1
1979 hou W,27-13 | 0 0 0 | 4 64 0
*1979 ram W,31-19 | 0 0 0 | 5 79 1
1982 sdg L,28-31 | 0 0 0 | 1 14 0
---------------------+-----------------+-----------------
TOTAL | 0 0 0 | 43 830 8

* - Super Bowl

John Stallworth
3-time Pro Bowler: 1979, 1982, 1984
Rushing | Receiving |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| 1974 pit | 13 | 1 -9 -9.0 0 | 16 269 16.8 1 |
| 1975 pit | 11 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 20 423 21.1 4 |
| 1976 pit | 8 | 1 47 47.0 1 | 9 111 12.3 2 |
| 1977 pit | 14 | 6 47 7.8 0 | 44 784 17.8 7 |
| 1978 pit | 16 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 41 798 19.5 9 |
| 1979 pit | 16 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 70 1183 16.9 8 |
| 1980 pit | 3 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 9 197 21.9 1 |
| 1981 pit | 16 | 1 17 17.0 0 | 63 1098 17.4 5 |
| 1982 pit | 9 | 1 9 9.0 0 | 27 441 16.3 7 |
| 1983 pit | 4 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 8 100 12.5 0 |
| 1984 pit | 16 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 80 1395 17.4 11 |
| 1985 pit | 16 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 75 937 12.5 5 |
| 1986 pit | 11 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 34 466 13.7 1 |
| 1987 pit | 12 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 41 521 12.7 2 |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| TOTAL | 165 | 10 111 11.1 1 | 537 8723 16.2 63 |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

Seasons among the league's top 10
Receptions: 1979-6, 1984-4t, 1985-8
Receiving yards: 1977-5, 1979-2, 1981-10, 1984-2
Receiving TDs: 1977-6t, 1978-4t, 1979-8t, 1982-3, 1984-4
Rush/Receive TDs: 1982-9t, 1984-10t

Among the league's all-time top 50
Receiving yards: 45
Receiving TDs: 44t

Year Opp Result | RSH YD TD | REC YD TD
---------------------+-----------------+-----------------
1975 oak W,16-10 | 0 0 0 | 2 30 1
*1975 dal W,21-17 | 0 0 0 | 2 8 0
1976 bal W,40-14 | 0 0 0 | 1 8 0
1976 oak L,7-24 | 0 0 0 | 1 18 0
1977 den L,21-34 | 0 0 0 | 4 80 0
1978 den W,33-10 | 0 0 0 | 10 156 1
1978 hou W,34-5 | 0 0 0 | 1 17 1
*1978 dal W,35-31 | 0 0 0 | 3 115 2
1979 mia W,34-14 | 0 0 0 | 6 86 1
1979 hou W,27-13 | 0 0 0 | 3 52 1
*1979 ram W,31-19 | 0 0 0 | 3 121 1
1982 sdg L,28-31 | 0 0 0 | 8 116 1
1983 rai L,10-38 | 0 0 0 | 1 58 1
1984 den W,24-17 | 0 0 0 | 3 38 0
1984 mia L,28-45 | 0 0 0 | 4 111 2
---------------------+-----------------+-----------------
TOTAL | 0 0 0 | 52 1014 12

Simplex3 · 02-06-2006, 12:02 AM

If he isn't he's sure closing in on it fast.

KingPriest2 · 02-06-2006, 12:06 AM

If Swann is in (which I think he should not) then Ward is in.

**Rain Man** · 02-06-2006, 12:29 AM

Swann and Stalworth shouldn't be in.

KingPriest2 · 02-06-2006, 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man

Swann and Stalworth shouldn't be in.

Totally agree with you.

02-06-2006, 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man

Swann and Stalworth shouldn't be in.

Yeah - they should be in the Hall of SuperBowl Fame instead - along with Doug Williams.

**Dunit35** · 02-06-2006, 12:36 AM

He probably will be someday.

Mecca · 02-06-2006, 12:55 AM

Of course Art Monk has better stats than all these guys.........yet he can't get in.

I'm also not sure they can make a bust to look like Hines Ward with that weird smile face he does.

htismaqe · 02-06-2006, 11:42 AM

Art Monk was a compiler. Being "steady" for a long, long time doesn't warrant induction IMO. You need to be a DOMINANT player.

Swann and Stalworth won 4 rings, which is why they got in. IMO, rings should be a criteria for induction either -- football is a team game, and championships are a team accomplishment. Again, neither was DOMINANT in their day.

Derrick Thomas should be in goddammit.

**cdcox** · 02-06-2006, 11:59 AM

First of all, until this batch of Steelers win 2 more SB, you can leave off the comparisons to Stallworth and Swann. For several years, Canton was intent on putting as many of those '70's Steelers in the HOF as possible. I'm surprised Rocky Bliar isn't in. They also played in a different era with regard to WR stats.

Ward is a possession receiver, which will work against him (see Art Monk). He isn't a game changer or one of the very elite WR of his generation. He's very good, consistent and does a lot of things well. IMO, he needs 1 of the following 2 to have a decent shot:

12,000 career yards
another SB apperance, win would be better.

If he got both, it would be a slam dunk.

02-06-2006, 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdcox

They also played in a different era with regard to WR stats.

Until OT is inducted, this excuse doesn't fly in my airspace.

Garcia Bronco · 02-06-2006, 12:09 PM

If Ward should get in..rod Smith should get in...and while Rod Smith is an excellent football player that has beat the odds....he shouldn't be in the Hall as of right now,.

ChiefsfaninPA · 02-06-2006, 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

If Ward should get in..rod Smith should get in...and while Rod Smith is an excellent football player that has beat the odds....he shouldn't be in the Hall as of right now,.

Well than Rod Smith isn't getting in, he is not getting any younger so his best days are behind him.

JBucc · 02-06-2006, 12:19 PM

Probably not right now, but isn't he still pretty young?

**MahiMike** · 02-06-2006, 12:24 PM

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02-05-2006, 11:39 PM	Topic Starter
KingPriest2 Super Grover Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: KCMO Casino cash: $8635135	Hines Ward Hall of Famer? Career leader for a WR for Pittsburgh and a MVP of XL 4-time Pro Bowler: 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004 Rushing \| Receiving \| +----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+ \| Year TM \| G \| Att Yards Y/A TD \| Rec Yards Y/R TD \| +----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+ \| 1998 pit \| 16 \| 1 13 13.0 0 \| 15 246 16.4 0 \| \| 1999 pit \| 16 \| 2 -2 -1.0 0 \| 61 638 10.5 7 \| \| 2000 pit \| 16 \| 4 53 13.2 0 \| 48 672 14.0 4 \| \| 2001 pit \| 16 \| 10 83 8.3 0 \| 94 1003 10.7 4 \| \| 2002 pit \| 16 \| 12 142 11.8 0 \| 112 1329 11.9 12 \| \| 2003 pit \| 16 \| 11 61 5.5 0 \| 95 1163 12.2 10 \| \| 2004 pit \| 16 \| 7 25 3.6 1 \| 80 1004 12.6 4 \| \| 2005 pit \| 15 \| 3 10 3.3 0 \| 69 975 14.1 11 \| +----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+ \| TOTAL \| 127 \| 50 385 7.7 1 \| 574 7030 12.2 52 \| Seasons among the league's top 10 Receptions: 2001-8, 2002-2, 2003-5t Receiving yards: 2002-4, 2003-9 Receiving TDs: 2002-2, 2003-4t, 2005-3t Rush/Receive TDs: 2002-10 Hines Ward is not in the all-time top 50 in any major category. Year Opp Result \| RSH YD TD \| REC YD TD ---------------------+-----------------+----------------- 2001 bal W,27-10 \| 1 6 0 \| 3 37 0 2001 nwe L,17-24 \| 1 -2 0 \| 6 64 0 2002 cle W,36-33 \| 1 4 0 \| 11 104 1 2002 ten L,31-34 \| 2 1 0 \| 7 82 2 2004 nyj W,20-17 \| 0 0 0 \| 10 105 1 2004 nwe L,27-41 \| 0 0 0 \| 5 109 1 2005 cin W,31-17 \| 0 0 0 \| 2 10 1 2005 ind W,21-18 \| 0 0 0 \| 3 68 0 2005 den W,34-17 \| 1 4 0 \| 5 59 1 2005 sea W,21-10 \| 1 18 0 \| 5 123 1---------------------+-----------------+----------------- TOTAL \| 7 31 0 \| 57 761 8 Compared to Lynn Swann 3-time Pro Bowler: 1975, 1977, 1978 +--------------------------+-------------------------+ \| Rushing \| Receiving \| +----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+ \| Year TM \| G \| Att Yards Y/A TD \| Rec Yards Y/R TD \| +----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+ \| 1974 pit \| 11 \| 1 14 14.0 0 \| 11 208 18.9 2 \| \| 1975 pit \| 14 \| 3 13 4.3 0 \| 49 781 15.9 11 \| \| 1976 pit \| 12 \| 1 2 2.0 0 \| 28 516 18.4 3 \| \| 1977 pit \| 14 \| 2 6 3.0 0 \| 50 789 15.8 7 \| \| 1978 pit \| 16 \| 1 7 7.0 0 \| 61 880 14.4 11 \| \| 1979 pit \| 13 \| 1 9 9.0 1 \| 41 808 19.7 5 \| \| 1980 pit \| 13 \| 1 -4 -4.0 0 \| 44 710 16.1 7 \| \| 1981 pit \| 13 \| 0 0 0.0 0 \| 34 505 14.9 5 \| \| 1982 pit \| 9 \| 1 25 25.0 0 \| 18 265 14.7 0 \| +----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+ \| TOTAL \| 115 \| 11 72 6.5 1 \| 336 5462 16.3 51 \| Seasons among the league's top 10 Receptions: 1977-7t, 1978-7t Receiving yards: 1975-8, 1977-4, 1978-7 Receiving TDs: 1975-1t, 1977-6t, 1978-2 Rush/Receive TDs: 1975-7t, 1978-5t Lynn Swann is not in the all-time top 50 in any major category. Year Opp Result \| RSH YD TD \| REC YD TD ---------------------+-----------------+----------------- 1975 bal W,28-10 \| 0 0 0 \| 2 15 0 1975 oak W,16-10 \| 0 0 0 \| 2 45 0 1975 dal W,21-17 \| 0 0 0 \| 4 161 1 1976 bal W,40-14 \| 0 0 0 \| 5 77 2 1976 oak L,7-24 \| 0 0 0 \| 3 58 0 1977 den L,21-34 \| 0 0 0 \| 1 6 0 1978 den W,33-10 \| 0 0 0 \| 2 52 1 1978 hou W,34-5 \| 0 0 0 \| 4 98 1 1978 dal W,35-31 \| 0 0 0 \| 7 124 1 1979 mia W,34-14 \| 0 0 0 \| 3 37 1 1979 hou W,27-13 \| 0 0 0 \| 4 64 0 1979 ram W,31-19 \| 0 0 0 \| 5 79 1 1982 sdg L,28-31 \| 0 0 0 \| 1 14 0 ---------------------+-----------------+----------------- TOTAL \| 0 0 0 \| 43 830 8 * - Super Bowl John Stallworth 3-time Pro Bowler: 1979, 1982, 1984 Rushing \| Receiving \| +----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+ \| Year TM \| G \| Att Yards Y/A TD \| Rec Yards Y/R TD \| +----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+ \| 1974 pit \| 13 \| 1 -9 -9.0 0 \| 16 269 16.8 1 \| \| 1975 pit \| 11 \| 0 0 0.0 0 \| 20 423 21.1 4 \| \| 1976 pit \| 8 \| 1 47 47.0 1 \| 9 111 12.3 2 \| \| 1977 pit \| 14 \| 6 47 7.8 0 \| 44 784 17.8 7 \| \| 1978 pit \| 16 \| 0 0 0.0 0 \| 41 798 19.5 9 \| \| 1979 pit \| 16 \| 0 0 0.0 0 \| 70 1183 16.9 8 \| \| 1980 pit \| 3 \| 0 0 0.0 0 \| 9 197 21.9 1 \| \| 1981 pit \| 16 \| 1 17 17.0 0 \| 63 1098 17.4 5 \| \| 1982 pit \| 9 \| 1 9 9.0 0 \| 27 441 16.3 7 \| \| 1983 pit \| 4 \| 0 0 0.0 0 \| 8 100 12.5 0 \| \| 1984 pit \| 16 \| 0 0 0.0 0 \| 80 1395 17.4 11 \| \| 1985 pit \| 16 \| 0 0 0.0 0 \| 75 937 12.5 5 \| \| 1986 pit \| 11 \| 0 0 0.0 0 \| 34 466 13.7 1 \| \| 1987 pit \| 12 \| 0 0 0.0 0 \| 41 521 12.7 2 \| +----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+ \| TOTAL \| 165 \| 10 111 11.1 1 \| 537 8723 16.2 63 \| +----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+ Seasons among the league's top 10 Receptions: 1979-6, 1984-4t, 1985-8 Receiving yards: 1977-5, 1979-2, 1981-10, 1984-2 Receiving TDs: 1977-6t, 1978-4t, 1979-8t, 1982-3, 1984-4 Rush/Receive TDs: 1982-9t, 1984-10t Among the league's all-time top 50 Receiving yards: 45 Receiving TDs: 44t Year Opp Result \| RSH YD TD \| REC YD TD ---------------------+-----------------+----------------- 1975 oak W,16-10 \| 0 0 0 \| 2 30 1 1975 dal W,21-17 \| 0 0 0 \| 2 8 0 1976 bal W,40-14 \| 0 0 0 \| 1 8 0 1976 oak L,7-24 \| 0 0 0 \| 1 18 0 1977 den L,21-34 \| 0 0 0 \| 4 80 0 1978 den W,33-10 \| 0 0 0 \| 10 156 1 1978 hou W,34-5 \| 0 0 0 \| 1 17 1 1978 dal W,35-31 \| 0 0 0 \| 3 115 2 1979 mia W,34-14 \| 0 0 0 \| 6 86 1 1979 hou W,27-13 \| 0 0 0 \| 3 52 1 *1979 ram W,31-19 \| 0 0 0 \| 3 121 1 1982 sdg L,28-31 \| 0 0 0 \| 8 116 1 1983 rai L,10-38 \| 0 0 0 \| 1 58 1 1984 den W,24-17 \| 0 0 0 \| 3 38 0 1984 mia L,28-45 \| 0 0 0 \| 4 111 2 ---------------------+-----------------+----------------- TOTAL \| 0 0 0 \| 52 1014 12
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htismaqe 'Tis my eye! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Chiefsplanet Casino cash: $8179900	Art Monk was a compiler. Being "steady" for a long, long time doesn't warrant induction IMO. You need to be a DOMINANT player. Swann and Stalworth won 4 rings, which is why they got in. IMO, rings should be a criteria for induction either -- football is a team game, and championships are a team accomplishment. Again, neither was DOMINANT in their day. Derrick Thomas should be in goddammit.
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cdcox www.nfl-forecast.com Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $-478231	First of all, until this batch of Steelers win 2 more SB, you can leave off the comparisons to Stallworth and Swann. For several years, Canton was intent on putting as many of those '70's Steelers in the HOF as possible. I'm surprised Rocky Bliar isn't in. They also played in a different era with regard to WR stats. Ward is a possession receiver, which will work against him (see Art Monk). He isn't a game changer or one of the very elite WR of his generation. He's very good, consistent and does a lot of things well. IMO, he needs 1 of the following 2 to have a decent shot: 12,000 career yards another SB apperance, win would be better. If he got both, it would be a slam dunk.
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