Franchise QBs

**cdcox** · 04-01-2006, 04:23 PM

This is going to be a poll.

My buddy and I are trying to develop criteria for drafting, finding, grooming a franchise QB. First we need to know what a franchice QB is. So we looked at everyone who made the probowl from 1980-2005. That list we then sorted according to yes definitely a franchise QB, maybe, and no, definitely not a franchie QB.

Here is a list of definites, FYI:

Brady, Tom
Manning, Peyton
McNair, Steve
Palmer, Carson
Brunell, Mark
Elway, John
Moon, Warren
Marino, Dan
Esiason, Boomer
Montana, Joe
Kelly, Jim
Culpepper, Dante
McNabb, Don
Favre, Brett
Young, Steve
Aikman, Troy
Warner, Kurt
Cunningham, Randall
Simms, Phil
Theismann, Joe
Kosar, Bernie
Fouts, Dan
Anderson, Ken
White, Danny
Jaworski, Ron

We want you to vote on the maybe's. Do you consider any of the guys in the poll to be franchise QBs?

StcChief · 04-01-2006, 04:45 PM

Green because of his time here...
also....

Flutie
Fouts
Farve
Montana

Sully · 04-01-2006, 04:47 PM

Everett, McMahon and Green. All during short windows, not their entire careers. Vick wants to be, but has NO IDEA how.

Logical · 04-01-2006, 05:06 PM

Not a one of those guys is a franchise QB, and the Homers who voted for Trent Green are deluding themselves. Those who vote for Michael Vick are voting for a franchise Runningback playing out of position.

jspchief · 04-01-2006, 05:09 PM

Who the hell is Jeff Hasselbeck?

**cdcox** · 04-01-2006, 05:11 PM

Of the 25 slam dunk franchise QBs:

6 went to pack 10 schools'
6 went to Big East Schools (we've included Miami and ND in this catagory)
1 each went to the Big10, Big 12, SEC, and ACC
1 each for BYU and UNLV
7 went to tiny no-where schools

That's pretty interesting right there.

JBucc · 04-01-2006, 05:11 PM

Right now none probably. Trent could have been and Delhomme and Brees might be but for now I'll say none.

**cdcox** · 04-01-2006, 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jspchief

Who the hell is Jeff Hasselbeck?

You know, Matt "Jeff" Hasselbeck.

**HemiEd** · 04-01-2006, 05:39 PM

I would say none on the list of maybes. Drew Brees may end up being one and Bledsoe was supposed to be but failed IMO. If Bledsoe had half the leadership skills that Trent Green has, he would be.

**cdcox** · 04-01-2006, 06:42 PM

Again regarding the 25 slam dunk franchise QBs:

11 were drafted in the first round and starred for the team that drafted them
7 were drafted in later rounds and sarred for the team that drafted them
2 were FA
5 were drafted by teams other than who they starred for

Logical · 04-01-2006, 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdcox

This is going to be a poll.

My buddy and I are trying to develop criteria for drafting, finding, grooming a franchise QB. First we need to know what a franchice QB is. So we looked at everyone who made the probowl from 1980-2005. That list we then sorted according to yes definitely a franchise QB, maybe, and no, definitely not a franchie QB.

Here is a list of definites, FYI:

Brady, Tom
Manning, Peyton
McNair, Steve
Palmer, Carson
Brunell, Mark
Elway, John
Moon, Warren
Marino, Dan
Esiason, Boomer
Montana, Joe
Kelly, Jim
Culpepper, Dante
McNabb, Don
Favre, Brett
Young, Steve
Aikman, Troy
Warner, Kurt
Cunningham, Randall
Simms, Phil
Theismann, Joe
Kosar, Bernie
Fouts, Dan
Anderson, Ken
White, Danny
Jaworski, Ron

We want you to vote on the maybe's. Do you consider any of the guys in the poll to be franchise QBs?

Course I don't consider these five as franchise QBs either.

McNair, Steve
White, Danny
McNair, Steve
Brunell, Mark
McNabb, Don

**cdcox** · 04-01-2006, 06:55 PM

Since 1981, the 25 franchise QBs have been SB starters in 33 of the possible 52 opportunites.

I think it is amazing that there have been only 25 franchise QBs during this time. That's well under one per team over a 26 year period. There just aren't enough of them to go around.

**cdcox** · 04-01-2006, 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav

Course I don't consider these five as franchise QBs either.

McNair, Steve
White, Danny
McNair, Steve
Brunell, Mark
McNabb, Don

Some of these, and a few more on the list could be debatable. Our main purpose was to get a database that we could analyze to get some insight into how to find a franchise QB.

**HemiEd** · 04-01-2006, 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav

Course I don't consider these five as franchise QBs either.

McNair, Steve
White, Danny
McNair, Steve
Brunell, Mark
McNabb, Don

Was there someone you left off?

milkman · 04-01-2006, 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav

Course I don't consider these five as franchise QBs either.

McNair, Steve
White, Danny
McNair, Steve
Brunell, Mark
McNabb, Don

Hell, I wouldn't consider almost half that list, maybe even more, franchise QBs.

To be a franchise QB, he must play at a high level for several years, and be the clear team leader.

View Poll Results: Do you consider any of these guys to be franchise QBs?
Brees, Drew	11	27.50%
Bledsoe, Drew	9	22.50%
Gannon, Rich	2	5.00%
Griese, Brian	0	0%
Flutie, Doug	1	2.50%
Testaverde, Vinny	2	5.00%
Harbaugh, Jim	2	5.00%
Krieg, Dave	1	2.50%
Vick, Michael	12	30.00%
Hasselbeck, Jeff	4	10.00%
Delhomme, Jake	11	27.50%
Garcia, Jeff	0	0%
Johnson, Brad	0	0%
Beuerlein, Steve	1	2.50%
Rypien, Mark	0	0%
Everett, Jim	1	2.50%
Wilson, Wade	0	0%
Lomax, Neil	3	7.50%
Kramer, Tommy	0	0%
Schroeder, Jay	0	0%
McMahon, Jim	5	12.50%
Bartkowski, Steve	2	5.00%
Sipe, Brian	1	2.50%
Green, Trent	25	62.50%
No, none of these guys are franchise QBs	10	25.00%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 40. You may not vote on this poll

04-01-2006, 04:23 PM
cdcox www.nfl-forecast.com Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $-458231	Franchise QBs This is going to be a poll. My buddy and I are trying to develop criteria for drafting, finding, grooming a franchise QB. First we need to know what a franchice QB is. So we looked at everyone who made the probowl from 1980-2005. That list we then sorted according to yes definitely a franchise QB, maybe, and no, definitely not a franchie QB. Here is a list of definites, FYI: Brady, Tom Manning, Peyton McNair, Steve Palmer, Carson Brunell, Mark Elway, John Moon, Warren Marino, Dan Esiason, Boomer Montana, Joe Kelly, Jim Culpepper, Dante McNabb, Don Favre, Brett Young, Steve Aikman, Troy Warner, Kurt Cunningham, Randall Simms, Phil Theismann, Joe Kosar, Bernie Fouts, Dan Anderson, Ken White, Danny Jaworski, Ron We want you to vote on the maybe's. Do you consider any of the guys in the poll to be franchise QBs?
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04-01-2006, 04:45 PM	#2
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04-01-2006, 04:47 PM	#3
Sully It Goes On Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Lees Summit Casino cash: $10026331	Everett, McMahon and Green. All during short windows, not their entire careers. Vick wants to be, but has NO IDEA how. __________________ "And I don't wish that girl any bad luck," he said, "but I hope she gets hit with a car." - Tommy Lasorda
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04-01-2006, 05:06 PM	#4
Logical Screw U if U can't take a joke Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	Not a one of those guys is a franchise QB, and the Homers who voted for Trent Green are deluding themselves. Those who vote for Michael Vick are voting for a franchise Runningback playing out of position.
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04-01-2006, 05:09 PM	#5
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04-01-2006, 05:11 PM	#6
cdcox www.nfl-forecast.com Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $-458231	Of the 25 slam dunk franchise QBs: 6 went to pack 10 schools' 6 went to Big East Schools (we've included Miami and ND in this catagory) 1 each went to the Big10, Big 12, SEC, and ACC 1 each for BYU and UNLV 7 went to tiny no-where schools That's pretty interesting right there.
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04-01-2006, 05:11 PM	#7
JBucc MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Casino cash: $10004952	Right now none probably. Trent could have been and Delhomme and Brees might be but for now I'll say none.
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04-01-2006, 05:39 PM	#9
HemiEd Supporter Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ozarks Casino cash: $-279436	I would say none on the list of maybes. Drew Brees may end up being one and Bledsoe was supposed to be but failed IMO. If Bledsoe had half the leadership skills that Trent Green has, he would be.
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04-01-2006, 06:42 PM	#10
cdcox www.nfl-forecast.com Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $-458231	Again regarding the 25 slam dunk franchise QBs: 11 were drafted in the first round and starred for the team that drafted them 7 were drafted in later rounds and sarred for the team that drafted them 2 were FA 5 were drafted by teams other than who they starred for
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04-01-2006, 06:55 PM	#12
cdcox www.nfl-forecast.com Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $-458231	Since 1981, the 25 franchise QBs have been SB starters in 33 of the possible 52 opportunites. I think it is amazing that there have been only 25 franchise QBs during this time. That's well under one per team over a 26 year period. There just aren't enough of them to go around.
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