The "Curse of Denkinger?"

Dr. Johnny Fever · 04-07-2006, 06:52 PM

I've been thinking, with all of the curse talk over the last several years in baseball.... the bambino... the billy goat... could it be the the Royals are strapped with "the curse of Denkinger?"

We all know Jorge Orta was out at first in game six of the '85 WS. We also know how that call changed the entire momentum of the series in the Royals favor. Yes, Orta was thrown out trying to go from first to third later that inning and never scored, therefor not really having any impact on the game. But no one can deny how it turned the tide when Denkinger called him safe. We celebrated. We experienced joy and rapture. Then we went forward.

Two winning seasons I think since. Bad moves by the front office. Bad players on the field. Even many of the "good" free agents we've gotten have turned into busts once they put on the blue and white uni's. Gonzalez, Knoblach, Neifi Perez even bounced back after leaving KC. Our good young players always become stars elsewhere. Our good young players who stick around after having initial success... Berroa, Jose Rosado, Ken Harvey, etc., fall to the wayside soon after making a name for themselves.

So I ask you Royals bretheren... are we saddled with "the Curse of Denkinger?"

Or do we just plain suck?

seclark · 04-07-2006, 06:55 PM

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CHIEF4EVER · 04-07-2006, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by beer me

We all know Jorge Orta was out at first in game six of the '85 WS. We also know how that call changed the entire momentum of the series in the Royals favor. Yes, Orta was thrown out trying to go from first to third later that inning and never scored, therefor not really having any impact on the game. But no one can deny how it turned the tide when Denkinger called him safe. We celebrated. We experienced joy and rapture. Then we went forward.

I call BS. You, sir, are an undercover Redboids fan. And a bitter one at that.

Dr. Johnny Fever · 04-07-2006, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by CHIEF4EVER

I call BS. You, sir, are an undercover Redboids fan. And a bitter one at that.

I hate the boids.

CHIEF4EVER · 04-07-2006, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by beer me

I hate the boids.

So, if the Cards were truly champeens, why did they get their azzes handed to the in game 7?

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/box-...d=198510270KCA

StcChief · 04-07-2006, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by CHIEF4EVER

So, if the Cards were truly champeens, why did they get their azzes handed to the in game 7?

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/box-...d=198510270KCA

Real simple. Their would not have been a game 7. Dink's bad call was game 6.

CHIEF4EVER · 04-07-2006, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by nm_dbf

Real simple. Their would not have been a game 7. Dink's bad call was game 6.

Denkinger's call had no real impact on game 6.

Simba · 04-08-2006, 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by nm_dbf

Real simple. Their would not have been a game 7. Dink's bad call was game 6.

And Jack Clark's inability to make the play on Steve Balboni's text-book pop up, coupled with Darrell Porter's passed ball later in the same inning, had nothing to do with the outcome. Deserving champions overcome adversity, they don't become unglued.

StcChief · 04-07-2006, 06:56 PM

Both...Welcome your tainted WS in 85, thank Denkinger.

I hear Portland calling in 5 years. Glass will be all over it.
Blame the town for no support.

big nasty kcnut · 04-07-2006, 06:58 PM

Orta wasn't out. He was safe i don't care what anybody say.

Dr. Johnny Fever · 04-07-2006, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by kcnut

Orta wasn't out. He was safe i don't care what anybody say.

Keep the faith kid. It's the one thing they can never take away from you.

**Skip Towne** · 04-07-2006, 07:03 PM

I agree with 'Nut. He's my man.

WilliamTheIrish · 04-07-2006, 07:29 PM

It's not the curse of Denkinger.

It's the curse of of the death of Mr. K.

The curse of the life of owners like Steinbrenner who pony up money and drive up the price of even the most mediocre players.

Of all the bad things that have happened to the Royals, losing Kaufman left the biggest void.

DJJasonp · 04-07-2006, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish

It's not the curse of Denkinger.

It's the curse of of the death of Mr. K.

The curse of the life of owners like Steinbrenner who pony up money and drive up the price of even the most mediocre players.

Of all the bad things that have happened to the Royals, losing Kaufman left the biggest void.

Absolutely!

Any chance at having (local) ownership that cared half as much as Mr. K after his death is a long shot at best.....and that's the problem with Glass.....he's not old school...and he doesnt have that competitive fire that Mr. K had. I remember hearing the stories about how bad he wanted to beat the yankees and how bad he hated them. Glass doesnt give a damn, nor does he probably even know half the players on the yankees.

Coach · 04-07-2006, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish

It's not the curse of Denkinger.

It's the curse of of the death of Mr. K.

The curse of the life of owners like Steinbrenner who pony up money and drive up the price of even the most mediocre players.

Of all the bad things that have happened to the Royals, losing Kaufman left the biggest void.

I agree. Ever since Mr. K. passed on, the Royals have been just miserable.

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Dr. Johnny Fever stax of wax Join Date: Feb 2004 Casino cash: $10004900	The "Curse of Denkinger?" I've been thinking, with all of the curse talk over the last several years in baseball.... the bambino... the billy goat... could it be the the Royals are strapped with "the curse of Denkinger?" We all know Jorge Orta was out at first in game six of the '85 WS. We also know how that call changed the entire momentum of the series in the Royals favor. Yes, Orta was thrown out trying to go from first to third later that inning and never scored, therefor not really having any impact on the game. But no one can deny how it turned the tide when Denkinger called him safe. We celebrated. We experienced joy and rapture. Then we went forward. Two winning seasons I think since. Bad moves by the front office. Bad players on the field. Even many of the "good" free agents we've gotten have turned into busts once they put on the blue and white uni's. Gonzalez, Knoblach, Neifi Perez even bounced back after leaving KC. Our good young players always become stars elsewhere. Our good young players who stick around after having initial success... Berroa, Jose Rosado, Ken Harvey, etc., fall to the wayside soon after making a name for themselves. So I ask you Royals bretheren... are we saddled with "the Curse of Denkinger?" Or do we just plain suck?
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StcChief Playing for #1 Draft Pick Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Just West of Lambs land Casino cash: $10004900	Both...Welcome your tainted WS in 85, thank Denkinger. I hear Portland calling in 5 years. Glass will be all over it. Blame the town for no support. __________________ sig test for this screwy schema
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WilliamTheIrish Champion Golfer Of The Year Join Date: Aug 2001 Casino cash: $2620607	It's not the curse of Denkinger. It's the curse of of the death of Mr. K. The curse of the life of owners like Steinbrenner who pony up money and drive up the price of even the most mediocre players. Of all the bad things that have happened to the Royals, losing Kaufman left the biggest void.
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