Rank the Big 12 BB coaches

Mr. Laz · 12:36 PM

rank them by X's and O's and all related court preparation.

recruiting, money etc doesn't count

List: (in alphabetical order)

Mike Anderson - MU
Rick Barnes - Texas
Jeff Capel III - OU
Scott Drew - BU
Billy Gillispie - Texas A&M
Bob Huggins - KSU
Bob Knight - TT
Greg McDermott - ISU
Ricardo Patton - CU
Doc Sadler - NU
Bill Self - KU
Sean Sutton - OSU

duncan_idaho · 01-24-2007, 11:32 AM

In terms of pure coaching? Xs and Os and getting the most out of players? Here's that list:

Bob Knight - TT
Greg McDermott - ISU
Scott Drew - BU
Billy Gillispie - Texas A&M
Mike Anderson - MU
Bob Huggins - KSU
Sean Sutton - OSU
Rick Barnes - Texas
Doc Sadler - NU
Jeff Capel III - OU
Ricardo Patton - CU

KCFalcon59 · 01-24-2007, 11:39 AM

Men's basketball List:

Bob Knight - TT

Rick Barnes - Texas

Bob Huggins - KSU

Billy Gillispie - Texas A&M

Bill Self - KU

Sean Sutton - OSU

Greg McDermott - ISU

Mike Anderson - MU

Ricardo Patton - CU

Doc Sadler - NU

Scott Drew - BU

Jeff Capel III - OU

Mr. Laz · 01-24-2007, 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

In terms of pure coaching? Xs and Os and getting the most out of players? Here's that list:

Bob Knight - TT
Greg McDermott - ISU
Scott Drew - BU
Billy Gillispie - Texas A&M
Mike Anderson - MU
Bob Huggins - KSU
Sean Sutton - OSU
Rick Barnes - Texas
Doc Sadler - NU
Jeff Capel III - OU
Ricardo Patton - CU

1...2...3...4...5...6....7...8...9...10...11....???

HonestChieffan · 01-24-2007, 12:29 PM

Knight, Self

the rest

**Saulbadguy** · 01-24-2007, 12:33 PM

In terms of what? X's and O's? Recruting prowess? Winning %? Anyways, gut feeling:

1. RMK
2. Billy Gillispie
3. Bob Huggins
4. Bill Self
5. Sean Sutton
6. Rick Barnes
7. Greg McDermott
8. Scott Drew
9. Jeff Capel
10. Mike Anderson
11. Doc Sadler
12. Ricardo Patton

This is kind of a bullshit question because alot of these coaches are new. Plus some are good gameday coaches, others are good recruiters, some are both.

**Saulbadguy** · 01-24-2007, 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

In terms of pure coaching? Xs and Os and getting the most out of players? Here's that list:

Bob Knight - TT
Greg McDermott - ISU
Scott Drew - BU
Billy Gillispie - Texas A&M
Mike Anderson - MU
Bob Huggins - KSU
Sean Sutton - OSU
Rick Barnes - Texas
Doc Sadler - NU
Jeff Capel III - OU
Ricardo Patton - CU

Of all the obvious flaws in this list, i'll pick on listing Scott Drew as III. He has his talent in there now, and there is ALOT of talent, so why are they 1-3 in the Big XII coming off a huge blowout to OU?

**Saulbadguy** · 01-24-2007, 12:48 PM

I'm not sure how i'd rank them going by pure x's and o's. Alot of it is unknown due to the coaches being new,and me not knowing a whole lot about them.

I'd obviously list RMK as the best. Past that, I think Rick Barnes, Bob Huggins, and even Ricardo Patton are solid X's and O's coaches. I assume Sean Sutton is due to his upbringing.

Billy G. is overrated IMO. He just teaches bad basketball, which is hack everyone like crazy to dictate the tempo of the game, and try to get your biggest guy on the low post to foul.

Self is average. He is like Billy G (same tutelage for the most part), they run similar systems.

duncan_idaho · 01-24-2007, 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

In terms of pure coaching? Xs and Os and getting the most out of players? Here's that list:

Bob Knight - TT
Greg McDermott - ISU
Scott Drew - BU
Billy Gillispie - Texas A&M
Mike Anderson - MU
Bob Huggins - KSU
Sean Sutton - OSU
Rick Barnes - Texas
Doc Sadler - NU
Jeff Capel III - OU
Ricardo Patton - CU

Oops. Left Bill Self out in the cut and paste... meant to slip him in between Barnes and Sadler.

Saul -
I guess I'm still giving Drew credit for the job he did when he to Baylor. I was highly impressed then...

I agree with you that it's hard to do these things ... it's even harder when there are so many new coaches around. I based mine, like I said, on Xs and Os ability AND what they do with the talent they have. That's why Barnes and Self (guys who have done relatively little with a lot of talent) rate fairly low in my book and guys like Drew and McDermott (who have coached up the small amount of talent they have) rate so highly.

I agree with you that Gillispie coaches an ugly brand of basketball... but it's no uglier than what Barnes does.

I just thank God Bruce Weber isn't the coach at kU. That team would be unstoppable with him at the helm... well, until Self's recruits left.

**Saulbadguy** · 01-24-2007, 01:10 PM

I just don't see it with Drew. He hasn't coached them up. They have alot of talent on that team, they should be winning more games.

duncan_idaho · 01-24-2007, 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saulbadguy

I just don't see it with Drew. He hasn't coached them up. They have alot of talent on that team, they should be winning more games.

Haven't seen them this year... but I know there is talent there now.

I'm talking about a few years back... I saw them in Columbia and was impressed with the job Drew did. Of course, the coach he was being compared to that day was Quin Snyder, so maybe that skewed things a bit.

Either way, I'll be watching closely when Mizzou plays Baylor. You may very well be right.

big nasty kcnut · 01-24-2007, 02:52 PM

not in order these the top five.
Billy Gillispie - Texas A&M
Bob Huggins - KSU
Bob Knight - TT
Bill Self - KU
Sean Sutton - OSU

hawkchief · 01-24-2007, 04:07 PM

1. Knight - best motivator
2. Self - best recruiter at best program
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.Barnes - best facilities
Sutton - good arena, fan support
Gillespie - will go big time soon
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Anderson - good motivator
Thuggins - picks up good athletes no one else wants
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.the rest

**ChiTown** · 01-24-2007, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Saulbadguy

I just don't see it with Drew. He hasn't coached them up. They have alot of talent on that team, they should be winning more games.

I was at the Baylor v KSU game last week. Drew was HORRID!!!!!!!!! He absolutely had KSU boxed in during the 2nd half. They were doing it with an inside game, and built an 11 point lead. KSU called a timeout, and BU went to a 3 point barrage from then on, and couldn't hit their ass with either hand. They didn't even ATTEMPT to go inside. Pathetic coaching if you ask me.

With the type of talent he has, he's number 9 or so on the B12 list.

manchambo · 01-24-2007, 05:33 PM

Being a CU fan, I have to agree wholeheartedly with those ranking Ricardo as the worst. Will we never know what goods he has, and on whom, to have allowed him to keep his job this long?

It's not just that he has so consistently failed to bring in good talent, it is also that he has failed to develop and coach talent when he has been lucky enough to get it: that team a few years back with David Harrison and that pretty good swingman, I forget his name, would have won a lot of games under Bob Knight.

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01-24-2007, 11:32 AM	#2
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KCFalcon59 MVP Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Topeka, Kansas Casino cash: $-230000	Men's basketball List: Bob Knight - TT Rick Barnes - Texas Bob Huggins - KSU Billy Gillispie - Texas A&M Bill Self - KU Sean Sutton - OSU Greg McDermott - ISU Mike Anderson - MU Ricardo Patton - CU Doc Sadler - NU Scott Drew - BU Jeff Capel III - OU
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01-24-2007, 12:33 PM	#6
Saulbadguy When a nightmare becomes real Join Date: Nov 2003 Casino cash: $736966	In terms of what? X's and O's? Recruting prowess? Winning %? Anyways, gut feeling: 1. RMK 2. Billy Gillispie 3. Bob Huggins 4. Bill Self 5. Sean Sutton 6. Rick Barnes 7. Greg McDermott 8. Scott Drew 9. Jeff Capel 10. Mike Anderson 11. Doc Sadler 12. Ricardo Patton This is kind of a bullshit question because alot of these coaches are new. Plus some are good gameday coaches, others are good recruiters, some are both.
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01-24-2007, 12:48 PM	#8
Saulbadguy When a nightmare becomes real Join Date: Nov 2003 Casino cash: $736966	I'm not sure how i'd rank them going by pure x's and o's. Alot of it is unknown due to the coaches being new,and me not knowing a whole lot about them. I'd obviously list RMK as the best. Past that, I think Rick Barnes, Bob Huggins, and even Ricardo Patton are solid X's and O's coaches. I assume Sean Sutton is due to his upbringing. Billy G. is overrated IMO. He just teaches bad basketball, which is hack everyone like crazy to dictate the tempo of the game, and try to get your biggest guy on the low post to foul. Self is average. He is like Billy G (same tutelage for the most part), they run similar systems.
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Saulbadguy When a nightmare becomes real Join Date: Nov 2003 Casino cash: $736966	I just don't see it with Drew. He hasn't coached them up. They have alot of talent on that team, they should be winning more games.
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01-24-2007, 02:52 PM	#12
big nasty kcnut The pizza king of kansas Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Somewhere in the u.s.a. Casino cash: $-1999100	not in order these the top five. Billy Gillispie - Texas A&M Bob Huggins - KSU Bob Knight - TT Bill Self - KU Sean Sutton - OSU __________________ When it's grim, be the grim reaper and go get it. Adopt a chiefs Travis Kelce. You woke up the wrong mother****er!
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01-24-2007, 04:07 PM	#13
hawkchief Veteran Join Date: Oct 2005 Casino cash: $-431400	1. Knight - best motivator 2. Self - best recruiter at best program . . . .Barnes - best facilities Sutton - good arena, fan support Gillespie - will go big time soon . . . . Anderson - good motivator Thuggins - picks up good athletes no one else wants . . .the rest
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manchambo MVP Join Date: Dec 2005 Casino cash: $8682156	Being a CU fan, I have to agree wholeheartedly with those ranking Ricardo as the worst. Will we never know what goods he has, and on whom, to have allowed him to keep his job this long? It's not just that he has so consistently failed to bring in good talent, it is also that he has failed to develop and coach talent when he has been lucky enough to get it: that team a few years back with David Harrison and that pretty good swingman, I forget his name, would have won a lot of games under Bob Knight.
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