Chiefs Chiefs vets buying into rebuilding plan

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-12-2008, 04:37 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/column...fri&id=3583640

Chiefs vets buying into rebuilding plan

ESPN.com

Kansas City Chiefs guard Brian Waters knows how to find the positives in a difficult situation. That's why he's so focused on the upside of the current rebuilding process surrounding his team.

Even though the Chiefs are young and unproven in many areas, Waters already sees the benefits of so much inexperience. "The energy around here is much better now," he said Thursday after practice. "We haven't had that over the last couple years because we had a lot of veterans who were focused on their own agendas. Now we have a bunch of young guys who are all focused on getting better because they know they could be gone. It's making a difference."

Though Waters sounds like he's putting a nice spin on a process that usually isn't much fun at the start, he is sending a message that the Chiefs sorely need at this stage of their development. After all, attitude is everything when it comes to rebuilding and the Chiefs are proving they have that in their favor. Their veterans believe in the plan. Their young players are attacking everything at full speed. And in time, the hope is that all this faith and fervor leads to something more tangible than excessive optimism.

In fact, it wouldn't be surprising if the Chiefs earned their first victory on Sunday when they meet the Oakland Raiders at home. The Chiefs clearly gained some confidence in their 17-10 loss to New England last Sunday, even if that outcome was influenced heavily by the season-ending knee injury Patriots quarterback Tom Brady sustained in the first quarter. As Waters noted, the Chiefs played physical in that contest and they limited their turnovers against a well-coached, veteran team. "That game," Waters said, "gave us an idea of how good we could be."

The problem, of course, is that the contest also reminded the Chiefs of how far they need to go in their rebuilding process. The four drops by second-year wide receiver Dwayne Bowe were Exhibit A on that front, including a whiff on a potential touchdown pass that could've tied the game in the final minute. The defense couldn't fluster Patriots backup quarterback Matt Cassel and the shoulder injury that sidelined Chiefs quarterback Brodie Croyle also was cause for concern. The last thing Chiefs coach Herm Edwards needed to see was another malady for a struggling quarterback who already has a history of being injury-prone.

That being said, these are the things that come with starting over. Edwards expected to deal with plenty of growing pains when he sold general manager Carl Peterson and owner Clark Hunt on rebuilding and now Edwards already has seen plenty. The key for the Chiefs is recognizing that all of this year's ugliness has an undeniable value: It will help them grow into a team that understands how to deal with adversity. "The older guys can see that the younger guys have what it takes to be a good football players," Edwards said. "They just have to learn how to do it."

Edwards emphasized that one essential component of his plan is the veterans who are still on this year's roster. It's clear that young players like Bowe, rookie defensive tackle Glenn Dorsey and rookie left tackle Branden Albert are the future, but it's been just as critical that older stars like Waters, running back Larry Johnson and tight end Tony Gonzalez buy into the process. So far, that's been the case. "When you decide to do something like this, you need to make sure the holdovers are the right guys," Edwards said. "We've got a bunch of young guys and rookies so there's a lot of teaching going on during practice that doesn't involve the coaches."

The obvious question is how quickly the Chiefs can take what they learn this season and apply it. It's fair to say they aren't going to win more than the four games they won last season. There are simply too many positions with uncertainties, including the one Croyle currently plays. But the best way to evaluate the Chiefs this year isn't by wins and losses. It's by how quickly they rebound from their mistakes and how they compete when the games aren't going their way.

Those simple attitude adjustments are ultimately what will keep them from becoming a team like the Raiders, another organization that is relying on a host of young players to succeed. For Oakland -- a team that was embarrassed by Denver in a season-opening 41-14 loss on Monday night -- it's becoming apparent that the constant chaos that surrounds an Al Davis-led franchise may once again poison any hope that team has of being relevant. That fact alone should also give the Chiefs confidence this week. As bad as things might get this year, they can at least know that they're all operating on the same page.

In fact, eight-year veteran defensive end Alfonso Boone said that playing for the Chiefs reminds him of what it was like to play for Chicago when Lovie Smith took over as the Bears' coach in 2004. The Bears also had questions at several positions and a long history of mediocrity back then. But the mindset was to have a collection of largely unknown youngsters play fast and furious, even if that approach led to mistakes. Two years later, the Bears represented the NFC in a Super Bowl loss to Indianapolis.

The Chiefs obviously would be ecstatic if their success came that quickly. The odds are it won't. But for now they can find some reasons to be positive about the future. The most apparent one -- at least from this vantage point -- is that they clearly believe in the path they've chosen.

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This article illustrates exactly why Herm won't be fired in 2009 or 2010: Lovie Smith and Tony Dungy built their teams with youth and had great success in their third years. Herm will be given at least until 2010 to complete this rebuilding process.

JuicesFlowing · 09-12-2008, 04:43 PM

Attitude does play an important role ... we'll see how they progress throughout the season when they lose ... but damn, I hope they beat the sh*t out out of Oakland.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 09-12-2008, 04:44 PM

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"We haven't had that over the last couple years because we had a lot of veterans who were focused on their own agendas..."

That had Dante Hall's name written ALL over it.

Hammock Parties · 09-12-2008, 04:45 PM

Or Ty Law...

**OnTheWarpath15** · 09-12-2008, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Claythan

Or Ty Law...

Jared Allen?

*gasp*

HypnotizedMonkey · 09-12-2008, 04:48 PM

I try to get out... and they pull me RIGHT BACK IN.

keg in kc · 09-12-2008, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

This article illustrates exactly why Herm won't be fired in 2009 or 2010

Yep.

orange · 09-12-2008, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

This article illustrates exactly why Herm won't be fired in 2009 or 2010: Lovie Smith and Tony Dungy built their teams with youth and had great success in their third years. Herm will be given at least until 2010 to complete this rebuilding process.

Maybe if they're paperbag-bad this year, Hunt will put Chiefs fans out of your misery.

Keep hope alive, guys!

OctoberFart · 09-12-2008, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Claythan

Or Ty Law...

You were a big Law supporter too.

KCJohnny · 09-12-2008, 09:58 PM

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The obvious question is how quickly the Chiefs can take what they learn this season and apply it. It's fair to say they aren't going to win more than the four games they won last season. There are simply too many positions with uncertainties, including the one Croyle currently plays. But the best way to evaluate the Chiefs this year isn't by wins and losses. It's by how quickly they rebound from their mistakes and how they compete when the games aren't going their way.

Fair to who?
Until a dominant team emerges in the AFCW for 2008, the Chiefs have a "fair" shot to win 7-10 games. The schedule is perobably easier, they play 9 teams with run defenses in the bottom 3rd of the rankings, and they just went down to the wire on the road against the greatest offense in NFL history.

I'm not saying its a lock that we are playoff bound, but saying it's fair to conclude the Chiefs will win 4 or less games out of 16 is going too far.

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-12-2008, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by KCJohnny

Fair to who?
Until a dominant team emerges in the AFCW for 2008, the Chiefs have a "fair" shot to win 7-10 games. The schedule is perobably easier, they play 9 teams with run defenses in the bottom 3rd of the rankings, and they just went down to the wire on the road against the greatest offense in NFL history.

I'm not saying its a lock that we are playoff bound, but saying it's fair to conclude the Chiefs will win 4 or less games out of 16 is going too far.

They're on a 10 win losing streak.

I think the Chiefs will be lucky to win three games, barring injury (which already occurred at the QB position).

They may only win one.

dj56dt58 · 09-12-2008, 10:12 PM

I think they'll win 15

KCJohnny · 09-12-2008, 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

They're on a 10 win losing streak.

I think the Chiefs will be lucky to win three games, barring injury (which already occurred at the QB position).

They may only win one.

7-9 with a strong finish.

Messier · 09-12-2008, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

They're on a 10 win losing streak.

I think the Chiefs will be lucky to win three games, barring injury (which already occurred at the QB position).

They may only win one.

Really? Because they almost beat the Patriots in their house (and I don't care if Brady was hurt). I think they get better as the season goes, and finish with at least 6 wins.

KCJohnny · 09-12-2008, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Messier

Really? Because they almost beat the Patriots in their house (and I don't care if Brady was hurt). I think they get better as the season goes, and finish with at least 6 wins.

Rep.

09-12-2008, 04:37 PM
DaneMcCloud Supporter Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Hollywood, CA Casino cash: $10053648	Chiefs vets buying into rebuilding plan http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/column...fri&id=3583640 Chiefs vets buying into rebuilding plan ESPN.com Kansas City Chiefs guard Brian Waters knows how to find the positives in a difficult situation. That's why he's so focused on the upside of the current rebuilding process surrounding his team. Even though the Chiefs are young and unproven in many areas, Waters already sees the benefits of so much inexperience. "The energy around here is much better now," he said Thursday after practice. "We haven't had that over the last couple years because we had a lot of veterans who were focused on their own agendas. Now we have a bunch of young guys who are all focused on getting better because they know they could be gone. It's making a difference." Though Waters sounds like he's putting a nice spin on a process that usually isn't much fun at the start, he is sending a message that the Chiefs sorely need at this stage of their development. After all, attitude is everything when it comes to rebuilding and the Chiefs are proving they have that in their favor. Their veterans believe in the plan. Their young players are attacking everything at full speed. And in time, the hope is that all this faith and fervor leads to something more tangible than excessive optimism. In fact, it wouldn't be surprising if the Chiefs earned their first victory on Sunday when they meet the Oakland Raiders at home. The Chiefs clearly gained some confidence in their 17-10 loss to New England last Sunday, even if that outcome was influenced heavily by the season-ending knee injury Patriots quarterback Tom Brady sustained in the first quarter. As Waters noted, the Chiefs played physical in that contest and they limited their turnovers against a well-coached, veteran team. "That game," Waters said, "gave us an idea of how good we could be." The problem, of course, is that the contest also reminded the Chiefs of how far they need to go in their rebuilding process. The four drops by second-year wide receiver Dwayne Bowe were Exhibit A on that front, including a whiff on a potential touchdown pass that could've tied the game in the final minute. The defense couldn't fluster Patriots backup quarterback Matt Cassel and the shoulder injury that sidelined Chiefs quarterback Brodie Croyle also was cause for concern. The last thing Chiefs coach Herm Edwards needed to see was another malady for a struggling quarterback who already has a history of being injury-prone. That being said, these are the things that come with starting over. Edwards expected to deal with plenty of growing pains when he sold general manager Carl Peterson and owner Clark Hunt on rebuilding and now Edwards already has seen plenty. The key for the Chiefs is recognizing that all of this year's ugliness has an undeniable value: It will help them grow into a team that understands how to deal with adversity. "The older guys can see that the younger guys have what it takes to be a good football players," Edwards said. "They just have to learn how to do it." Edwards emphasized that one essential component of his plan is the veterans who are still on this year's roster. It's clear that young players like Bowe, rookie defensive tackle Glenn Dorsey and rookie left tackle Branden Albert are the future, but it's been just as critical that older stars like Waters, running back Larry Johnson and tight end Tony Gonzalez buy into the process. So far, that's been the case. "When you decide to do something like this, you need to make sure the holdovers are the right guys," Edwards said. "We've got a bunch of young guys and rookies so there's a lot of teaching going on during practice that doesn't involve the coaches." The obvious question is how quickly the Chiefs can take what they learn this season and apply it. It's fair to say they aren't going to win more than the four games they won last season. There are simply too many positions with uncertainties, including the one Croyle currently plays. But the best way to evaluate the Chiefs this year isn't by wins and losses. It's by how quickly they rebound from their mistakes and how they compete when the games aren't going their way. Those simple attitude adjustments are ultimately what will keep them from becoming a team like the Raiders, another organization that is relying on a host of young players to succeed. For Oakland -- a team that was embarrassed by Denver in a season-opening 41-14 loss on Monday night -- it's becoming apparent that the constant chaos that surrounds an Al Davis-led franchise may once again poison any hope that team has of being relevant. That fact alone should also give the Chiefs confidence this week. As bad as things might get this year, they can at least know that they're all operating on the same page. In fact, eight-year veteran defensive end Alfonso Boone said that playing for the Chiefs reminds him of what it was like to play for Chicago when Lovie Smith took over as the Bears' coach in 2004. The Bears also had questions at several positions and a long history of mediocrity back then. But the mindset was to have a collection of largely unknown youngsters play fast and furious, even if that approach led to mistakes. Two years later, the Bears represented the NFC in a Super Bowl loss to Indianapolis. The Chiefs obviously would be ecstatic if their success came that quickly. The odds are it won't. But for now they can find some reasons to be positive about the future. The most apparent one -- at least from this vantage point -- is that they clearly believe in the path they've chosen. ____________________________________________________________ This article illustrates exactly why Herm won't be fired in 2009 or 2010: Lovie Smith and Tony Dungy built their teams with youth and had great success in their third years. Herm will be given at least until 2010 to complete this rebuilding process.
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