Chiefs Odds are Herm still employed after today...

**petegz28** · 01-23-2009, 08:48 AM

Seeing as Jack Hary says it was Shanahan, Mort said Herm would be gone by today, Collinsworth said it was Haley and Schefter said we had not spoke with Shanahan, Ari's realtor said it was Cowher and the latest Gailey story, I'd say....

Herm will still be here after today, contrary to all of the above. Hopefully Pioli will make me eat my words but all I have seen is all the "experts" don't have a ****ing clue.

Deberg_1990 · 01-23-2009, 08:50 AM

I just dont see how Pioli could keep Herm?

He would immediatly ruin all the goodwill and credibility he has built up amongst the fanbase the past few weeks.

Hes a smart guy. I just cant believe he would do that.

KC-TBB · 01-23-2009, 08:53 AM

I have felt that impending feeling of doom before...maybe it is just taking some time to sharpen the axe!

StcChief · 01-23-2009, 08:54 AM

is this all dependent on the college game this weekend?
I'm sure all employeed/unemployeed coaches will be watching. evaluating.

The combines are still to come..... I still think we have time to get a coach.

Don't assume Herm is still here for 2009.

**petegz28** · 01-23-2009, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

I just dont see how Pioli could keep Herm?

He would immediatly ruin all the goodwill and credibility he has built up amongst the fanbase the past few weeks.

Hes a smart guy. I just cant believe he would do that.

The only thing I can think is that if Piloi can't get who he wants, he will keep Herm. That or he was banking on Spagnuolo and that hosed up his plans when he went to STL. Either way it looks bad when the Senior Bowl is underway and we do not have a head coach there. Though Piloi is known for playing things close to the vest, this is getting rather rediculous and makes me wonder about the off-season ahead for the team?

Stinger · 01-23-2009, 08:57 AM

You have forgot that Clayathon, and Nick I suppose, were both saying he is as good as gone .... so to me that was like the kiss of death for him leaving.

blaise · 01-23-2009, 08:59 AM

I don't think Pioli worries about the good will and credibility he has with the fans. Winning or losing will dictate that. I'm sure he has a plan and he knows exactly what he wants. If Herm stays that means he didn't see a guy he thought would be good enough to give a contract to.
In any case, I really hope he doesn't give a flying rats ass what anyone here or any other message board think.

**petegz28** · 01-23-2009, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Stinger

You have forgot that Clayathon, and Nick I suppose, were both saying he is as good as gone .... so to me that was like the kiss of death for him leaving.

Like they would have a clue. But you are onto something there....

StcChief · 01-23-2009, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Stinger

You have forgot that Clayathon, and Nick I suppose, were both saying he is as good as gone .... so to me that was like the kiss of death for him leaving.

Hopefully this isn't a save some bucks move to honor the last year of Herm's contract.....

**petegz28** · 01-23-2009, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by blaise

I don't think Pioli worries about the good will and credibility he has with the fans. Winning or losing will dictate that. I'm sure he has a plan and he knows exactly what he wants. If Herm stays that means he didn't see a guy he thought would be good enough to give a contract to.
In any case, I really hope he doesn't give a flying rats ass what anyone here or any other message board think.

Pack your shit ....you have been banned from the always sunny and 70 Olathe!!!

**petegz28** · 01-23-2009, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by StcChief

Hopefully this isn't a save some bucks move to honor the last year of Herm's contract.....

Have to help pay for the additional $70mil in stadium renovations

siberian khatru · 01-23-2009, 09:02 AM

I don't see how they can keep Herm.

1) You can't keep him on a 1-year contract as a lame duck.

2) You take a huge risk giving him a contract extension. He's coming off a 6-26 stretch, which means he's on incredibly thin ice. If he starts out 09 1-5 or whatever, Arrowhead will be a ghost town and there will be tremendous pressure to fire him. Suppose he goes 6-10 -- are the Chiefs really gonna sell that as progress, especially considering what Atlanta and Miami did this year? So you have to fire Herm -- and owe him for the remainder of his contract (say, 2 years). AND you have to hire a new coach and pay him, perhaps very well if you go after a big name. Will Clark want to fork over all that money?

3) However, if you bring in a new coach, even if he goes 6-10 there's a bit more of a grace period. Because he's not Herm, the team and the fans can say, well, he was given a daunting task not of his making, let's give him another year to really turn it around, etc.

The new guy gets a clean slate. Herm doesn't. Herm comes with all this baggage and bad feelings. It just seems to me a huge gamble to bring him back. I don't see what it accomplishes. Plus, he's hardly an indispensable man. It's not like he's got a Super Bowl or two to fall back on as proof he's THE guy, like a Cowher, Shanahan or Parcells type. You would think Pioli is confident enough to have identified other coaches who can do better.

The ONLY thing that could make Herm stay, I guess, is if Clark simply puts his foot down and says he believes with all his heart, every fiber in his body, that Herm is the one guy in all of football who can lead this team. But if he really believed that, I would think they already would have announced Herm is staying.

**chiefforlife** · 01-23-2009, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

The only thing I can think is that if Piloi can't get who he wants, he will keep Herm. That or he was banking on Spagnuolo and that hosed up his plans when he went to STL. Either way it looks bad when the Senior Bowl is underway and we do not have a head coach there. Though Piloi is known for playing things close to the vest, this is getting rather rediculous and makes me wonder about the off-season ahead for the team?

Perhaps if they had actually fired Herm, the rest of the NFL (Spagnuolo) would have realized that the Chiefs actually had an opening for HC. That may have helped the process.

Deberg_1990 · 01-23-2009, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru

I don't see how they can keep Herm.

1) You can't keep him on a 1-year contract as a lame duck.

2) You take a huge risk giving him a contract extension. He's coming off a 6-26 stretch, which means he's on incredibly thin ice. If he starts out 09 1-5 or whatever, Arrowhead will be a ghost town and there will be tremendous pressure to fire him. Suppose he goes 6-10 -- are the Chiefs really gonna sell that as progress, especially considering what Atlanta and Miami did this year? So you have to fire Herm -- and owe him for the remainder of his contract (say, 2 years). AND you have to hire a new coach and pay him, perhaps very well if you go after a big name. Will Clark want to fork over all that money?

3) However, if you bring in a new coach, even if he goes 6-10 there's a bit more of a grace period. Because he's not Herm, the team and the fans can say, well, he was given a daunting task not of his making, let's give him another year to really turn it around, etc.

The new guy gets a clean slate. Herm doesn't. Herm comes with all this baggage and bad feelings. It just seems to me a huge gamble to bring him back. I don't see what it accomplishes. Plus, he's hardly an indispensable man. It's not like he's got a Super Bowl or two to fall back on as proof he's THE guy, like a Cowher, Shanahan or Parcells type. You would think Pioli is confident enough to have identified other coaches who can do better.

The ONLY thing that could make Herm stay, I guess, is if Clark simply puts his foot down and says he believes with all his heart, every fiber in his body, that Herm is the one guy in all of football who can lead this team. But if he really believed that, I would think they already would have announced Herm is staying.

What he said.

StcChief · 01-23-2009, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru

I don't see how they can keep Herm.

1) You can't keep him on a 1-year contract as a lame duck.

2) You take a huge risk giving him a contract extension. He's coming off a 6-26 stretch, which means he's on incredibly thin ice. If he starts out 09 1-5 or whatever, Arrowhead will be a ghost town and there will be tremendous pressure to fire him. Suppose he goes 6-10 -- are the Chiefs really gonna sell that as progress, especially considering what Atlanta and Miami did this year? So you have to fire Herm -- and owe him for the remainder of his contract (say, 2 years). AND you have to hire a new coach and pay him, perhaps very well if you go after a big name. Will Clark want to fork over all that money?

3) However, if you bring in a new coach, even if he goes 6-10 there's a bit more of a grace period. Because he's not Herm, the team and the fans can say, well, he was given a daunting task not of his making, let's give him another year to really turn it around, etc.

The new guy gets a clean slate. Herm doesn't. Herm comes with all this baggage and bad feelings. It just seems to me a huge gamble to bring him back. I don't see what it accomplishes. Plus, he's hardly an indispensable man. It's not like he's got a Super Bowl or two to fall back on as proof he's THE guy, like a Cowher, Shanahan or Parcells type. You would think Pioli is confident enough to have identified other coaches who can do better.

The ONLY thing that could make Herm stay, I guess, is if Clark simply puts his foot down and says he believes with all his heart, every fiber in his body, that Herm is the one guy in all of football who can lead this team. But if he really believed that, I would think they already would have announced Herm is staying.

Where are the professional journalists to say this it makes the most sense.

01-23-2009, 08:48 AM
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01-23-2009, 09:02 AM	#12
siberian khatru 21st Century Schizoid Fan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Gates of Delirium Casino cash: $-1305050	I don't see how they can keep Herm. 1) You can't keep him on a 1-year contract as a lame duck. 2) You take a huge risk giving him a contract extension. He's coming off a 6-26 stretch, which means he's on incredibly thin ice. If he starts out 09 1-5 or whatever, Arrowhead will be a ghost town and there will be tremendous pressure to fire him. Suppose he goes 6-10 -- are the Chiefs really gonna sell that as progress, especially considering what Atlanta and Miami did this year? So you have to fire Herm -- and owe him for the remainder of his contract (say, 2 years). AND you have to hire a new coach and pay him, perhaps very well if you go after a big name. Will Clark want to fork over all that money? 3) However, if you bring in a new coach, even if he goes 6-10 there's a bit more of a grace period. Because he's not Herm, the team and the fans can say, well, he was given a daunting task not of his making, let's give him another year to really turn it around, etc. The new guy gets a clean slate. Herm doesn't. Herm comes with all this baggage and bad feelings. It just seems to me a huge gamble to bring him back. I don't see what it accomplishes. Plus, he's hardly an indispensable man. It's not like he's got a Super Bowl or two to fall back on as proof he's THE guy, like a Cowher, Shanahan or Parcells type. You would think Pioli is confident enough to have identified other coaches who can do better. The ONLY thing that could make Herm stay, I guess, is if Clark simply puts his foot down and says he believes with all his heart, every fiber in his body, that Herm is the one guy in all of football who can lead this team. But if he really believed that, I would think they already would have announced Herm is staying.
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