Football Another two weeks before the lockout is over?

ToxSocks · 07-21-2011, 11:07 AM

I'm over this shit now....

http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sp...-thats-a-sham/

Herald columnist Ron Borges from Atlanta: The union to recertify in a day? That’s a “sham”
Herald columnist Ron Borges is in Atlanta for the much-ballyhooed owners meetings where so many expect a settlement and a new Collective Bargaining Agreement. Some expect it today.

In Borges’ view? Chill out a bit.

Here is the explanatory report he just filed:

By Ron Borges
ATLANTA – Once again, NFL owners want it both ways.

When the NFLPA tried to decertify the owners’ argument was that it couldn’t be done with by a simple snap of the union’s fingers. Time had to pass, they argued, or it was all “a sham,” a point they somehow won in front of the most conservative Federal appeals court in the country.

Now they are insisting that the NFLPA settle two multi-million dollar lawsuits, approve a new 10-year CBA that cuts their pay by hundreds of millions of dollars and recertify their union in a day.

The NFLPA has basically said they may be able to do the first two but recertification will take at least two weeks. The owners, as they always seem to be except when lining their pockets, are outraged and demanding a “global settlement’’ be completed today.

Now there’s “a sham,” because nearly 1,000 recertification cards have to be signed and returned, approving recertification before the union can re-form. And that takes a lot longer than 24 hours, according to the union.

With that as the latest background in what has become a far longer slog toward a settlement of the 132-day and counting lockout than either side expected, the owners are meeting in Atlanta poised to vote on approval of a deal with the players that they don’t yet have with the players.

“It’s an ongoing thing,’’ Indianapolis Colts’ owner Jimmy Irsay said. “Everyone is pushing in that direction but it’s never done until it’s done. We are hoping to get back to the business of football.

“You can only control what you can control. We’re going to try and do our part today getting something approved.’’

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, NFLPA head DeMaurice Smith is trying to corral angry plaintiffs in the Brady vs. NFL case and his own Executive Committee and team player reps to the point where he can get a majority to approve both the settlement and the 10-year CBA framework presently on the table.

He has yet been unable to do that which is why no vote was taken on Wednesday even though many felt it was some sort of fait accompli. Let me tell you something, at this point there is no fait accom-anything, although at some point there will be an NFL season.

Just not anywhere as quickly as fans hoped and the two sides thought possible. As NFLPA president Kevin Mawea ominously said Wednesday the players are not on a July 21 deadline for anything.

So the owners are expected to approve a deal they don’t yet have sometime today while now arguing that a union is a great thing for their business even though the players don’t have one any more.

PunkinDrublic · 07-21-2011, 11:12 AM

Kevin Mawae has always been a dirty player and apparently an even bigger piece of shit off the field.

Okie_Apparition · 07-21-2011, 11:13 AM

Keep it on hold until the heatwave that's griping half the country cools off/smart players

JD10367 · 07-21-2011, 11:20 AM

Just an FYI, but Ron Borges is widely viewed in New England as being somewhat of a dipshit asshole blowhard ****face twatbrain asswipe reerun abortion who is good for nothing aside from writing shit-stirring panic-inducing lies. Aside from that, he's a fine reporter.

PunkinDrublic · 07-21-2011, 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JD10367

Just an FYI, but Ron Borges is widely viewed in New England as being somewhat of a dipshit asshole blowhard ****face twatbrain asswipe reerun abortion who is good for nothing aside from writing shit-stirring panic-inducing lies. Aside from that, he's a fine reporter.

I hope you're right. What Kevin Mawae said really pissed me off though.

**the Talking Can** · 07-21-2011, 11:23 AM

Quote:

AdamSchefter Adam Schefter
Told this is "very likely true." RT @dkaplanSBJ: Owners will vote on global deal today and hand it off to players to say sign or don't sign.

http://twitter.com/#!/AdamSchefter

ToxSocks · 07-21-2011, 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Okie_Apparition

Keep it on hold until the heatwave that's griping half the country cools off/smart players

That's what I was thinking. They'll seal the deal with about 2 weeks to go to start the season.

**the Talking Can** · 07-21-2011, 11:28 AM

interesting pitch from owners

Quote:

AlbertBreer Albert Breer
Owners' perception is that, at a certain point, preseason revenue losses will take about $35 million/day out of their offer to players ...

http://twitter.com/#!/albertbreer

KCrockaholic · 07-21-2011, 11:28 AM

OK. Are they voting on a new CBA today or just the lawsuit? I've heard just the lawsuit, but I'm confused now. This whole thing pisses me off.

**Rausch** · 07-21-2011, 11:29 AM

Talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk...

**the Talking Can** · 07-21-2011, 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCrockaholic

OK. Are they voting on a new CBA today or just the lawsuit? I've heard just the lawsuit, but I'm confused now. This whole thing pisses me off.

my confused opinion is they're voting on the CBA...or the "global settlement"

then players have to vote

then players have to recertify (which some say can be done in a day electronically, and some say will take a few days)

4. profit

KCrockaholic · 07-21-2011, 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

my confused opinion is they're voting on the CBA...or the "global settlement"

then players have to vote

then players have to recertify (which some say can be done in a day electronically, and some say will take a few days)

4. profit

Ok, I hope you're correct. I took the "global settlement" as meaning for the CBA and the lawsuit. Players need to become the NFLPA again before things can happen though.

Titty Meat · 07-21-2011, 11:36 AM

The hold up is probably players want a break room next to the training facilities for camp. ****ing unions.

**the Talking Can** · 07-21-2011, 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCrockaholic

Ok, I hope you're correct. I took the "global settlement" as meaning for the CBA and the lawsuit. Players need to become the NFLPA again before things can happen though.

i do mean CBA+lawsuit.....I think owners want it all in one and it's up to the players to get everyone in the suit on board

and the players can vote before recertifying, but the league wants them to recertify to maintain the NFL's anti-trust exemption (no idea why or how, just what I've read)...so business won't really begin until the union reforms

chiefqueen · 07-21-2011, 11:37 AM

Per John Clayton (yes, I'm watching Sportscenter from my IPad) the owners will vote on the CBA between 2:30 and 4:30 CDT.

07-21-2011, 11:07 AM
ToxSocks Needs more middle fingers Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Diego Casino cash: $2103063	Another two weeks before the lockout is over? I'm over this shit now.... http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sp...-thats-a-sham/ Herald columnist Ron Borges from Atlanta: The union to recertify in a day? That’s a “sham” Herald columnist Ron Borges is in Atlanta for the much-ballyhooed owners meetings where so many expect a settlement and a new Collective Bargaining Agreement. Some expect it today. In Borges’ view? Chill out a bit. Here is the explanatory report he just filed: By Ron Borges ATLANTA – Once again, NFL owners want it both ways. When the NFLPA tried to decertify the owners’ argument was that it couldn’t be done with by a simple snap of the union’s fingers. Time had to pass, they argued, or it was all “a sham,” a point they somehow won in front of the most conservative Federal appeals court in the country. Now they are insisting that the NFLPA settle two multi-million dollar lawsuits, approve a new 10-year CBA that cuts their pay by hundreds of millions of dollars and recertify their union in a day. The NFLPA has basically said they may be able to do the first two but recertification will take at least two weeks. The owners, as they always seem to be except when lining their pockets, are outraged and demanding a “global settlement’’ be completed today. Now there’s “a sham,” because nearly 1,000 recertification cards have to be signed and returned, approving recertification before the union can re-form. And that takes a lot longer than 24 hours, according to the union. With that as the latest background in what has become a far longer slog toward a settlement of the 132-day and counting lockout than either side expected, the owners are meeting in Atlanta poised to vote on approval of a deal with the players that they don’t yet have with the players. “It’s an ongoing thing,’’ Indianapolis Colts’ owner Jimmy Irsay said. “Everyone is pushing in that direction but it’s never done until it’s done. We are hoping to get back to the business of football. “You can only control what you can control. We’re going to try and do our part today getting something approved.’’ Meanwhile, back at the ranch, NFLPA head DeMaurice Smith is trying to corral angry plaintiffs in the Brady vs. NFL case and his own Executive Committee and team player reps to the point where he can get a majority to approve both the settlement and the 10-year CBA framework presently on the table. He has yet been unable to do that which is why no vote was taken on Wednesday even though many felt it was some sort of fait accompli. Let me tell you something, at this point there is no fait accom-anything, although at some point there will be an NFL season. Just not anywhere as quickly as fans hoped and the two sides thought possible. As NFLPA president Kevin Mawea ominously said Wednesday the players are not on a July 21 deadline for anything. So the owners are expected to approve a deal they don’t yet have sometime today while now arguing that a union is a great thing for their business even though the players don’t have one any more.
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07-21-2011, 11:12 AM	#2
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07-21-2011, 11:13 AM	#3
Okie_Apparition Banned Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: floatin cobwebs n the sky Casino cash: $10004900	Keep it on hold until the heatwave that's griping half the country cools off/smart players
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07-21-2011, 11:20 AM	#4
JD10367 Cheaterlover* Join Date: May 2009 Location: RI Casino cash: $10010716	Just an FYI, but Ron Borges is widely viewed in New England as being somewhat of a dipshit asshole blowhard ****face twatbrain asswipe reerun abortion who is good for nothing aside from writing shit-stirring panic-inducing lies. Aside from that, he's a fine reporter.
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07-21-2011, 11:28 AM	#9
KCrockaholic Sarcasm Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Olathe Casino cash: $3412900	OK. Are they voting on a new CBA today or just the lawsuit? I've heard just the lawsuit, but I'm confused now. This whole thing pisses me off.
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07-21-2011, 11:36 AM	#13
Titty Meat Inmem 2.0 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: My house Casino cash: $-1042442	The hold up is probably players want a break room next to the training facilities for camp. ****ing unions.
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07-21-2011, 11:37 AM	#15
chiefqueen On my throne Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Kansas City, MO Casino cash: $7942060	Per John Clayton (yes, I'm watching Sportscenter from my IPad) the owners will vote on the CBA between 2:30 and 4:30 CDT.
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