Chiefs Mid-Term Evaluation: Grading Scott Pioli

Nightfyre · 09-07-2011, 12:53 AM

Please provide your grade of Scott Pioli through the first two and a half years of service, along with some insight about why you graded him so.

Mine:

Changes in Head Coaches:
Firing Chan Gailey - B - It was a no-brainer. Keeping him on in the capacity of an offensive coordinator was somewhat of a mess, but maybe they got some intel out of him they otherwise wouldn't have.

Hiring Todd Haley - B - I like Todd Haley. I think he has the capacity and balls to bring us to the Superbowl. He definitely does things his way, which is both good and bad. He is also willing to adapt as he goes.

Drafting:
2009 -
Round 1:
Tyson Jackson - (D) A 5-tech drafted at number 3 who should have been drafted somewhere around the middle of the first round. Jackson has failed to impress in his first two seasons; however, that is typical of defensive lineman as their development cycle is thought to average three years. He cannot possibly live up to his draft position.

Round 2:
Matt Cassel - (C) - Cassel has probably played at a B- level, but the huge contract he is under mitigates his play. Further, Pioli continues to stick with him despite his limited upside and time-in-service.

Mike Vrabel - (C) - provided below-average play due to his speed, but supposedly provided veteran leadership. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt on that part.

Round 3:
Alex Magee - (F) - Traded to the Buc's to swap a fifth round pick for a sixth round pick two years later.

Round 4:
Donald Washington (C) - A high upside pick that just didn't pan out. I like this pick at the time. Still on the roster (they refuse to give up on him)

Round 5:
Colin Brown (F) - Didn't even make the opening season roster.

Round 6:
Quinten Lawrence (C) - Mediocre non-contributor, Currently on the Practice Squad

Round 7:
Javarris Williams - (C) - Released and subsequently signed with the Texans.

Jake O'Connell - (C) - How does this guy justify a roster spot?

Ryan Succop - (A) - What a pickup. A good kicker with the leg to become an elite one.

2010:

Round 1:
Eric Berry - (A+) - A super high upside pick with great intangibles, made the pro-bowl his first year.

Round 2:
Dexter McCluster - (C) - An undersized player they envisioned at the slot. He did win us the first game of the 2010 season, but he suffered an injury. It's hard to pin down just what McCluster will contribute. Regardless, at this point it appears unlikely to be worth a second round pick.

Javier Arenas - (B-) - He is likely a career nickel-back, which he does well and has upside at. Given the frequency with which nickel-backs are used in todays NFL, I am going to say he has potential to justify his draft position, but he will have to become pretty elite.

Round 3:
Jon Asamoah - (B+) - He is starting in 2011, and while he does not yet appear to be elite, he certainly has the potential.

Round 4:
Tony Moeaki - (B) - An elite tight-end in the making. The only caveat is that he has difficulty remaining healthy. May the lord bless us with a miracle surgeon.

Round 5:
Kendrick Lewis - (A) - A starting FS whose play in 2010 was adequate. Here's hoping he continues to improve.

Cameron Sheffield - (B) - After suffering a freak neck injury in 2010, we finally get to see Sheffield this year. He appears to be a moderate-upside player.

2011 Draft:
Round 1:
Jonathon Baldwin - (B+) - A top ten talent/athlete with character questions and a skill-set in severe need of an overhaul. Drafted near the bottom of round 1. His measurables are off the charts. He is slightly bigger than Larry Fitzgerald and as athletic. He must improve his attitude, his route-running, and his ability to break off press coverage. Amazing Hands. I hope this kid pans out, because I see Larry Fitzgerald upside.

Round 2:
Rodney Hudson - (B) - A highly-touted guard/center, but slightly undersized. Based on the preseason he is going to take some polish, but another good selection based on the information we have now.

Round 3:
Justin Houston - (B+) - A first round talent who dropped due to a failed drug test. He appears to have elite upside based on what we have seen thusfar.

Allen Bailey - (B+) - Another highly talented individual who appears to have elite upside.

Round 4:
Jalil Brown - (B) - Appears to have the stuff to make it as a number 2 corner, based on what we've seen thusfar.

Round 5:
Ricky Stanzi - (B) - Appears to have a better skillset and arm than Cassel, but we do not have a sufficient sample to draw any conclusions yet.

Round 6:
Gabe Miller - (C+) - Currently on the IR. I have not seen him play yet.

Jerrel Powe - (B) - Appears to have quite the upside for a nose tackle. Many would have been happy to see him drafted in round four, let alone six.

Round 7:
Shane Bannon - (C) - Currently on the practice squad.

OVERALL DRAFTING GRADE: B
I added less weight to the first draft given the timeframe in which Pioli was added.

Notable Free Agents:
2009:
Jovan Belcher - An UDFA who appears to have high upside as a MLB.
Terrence Copper - Special Teams player

2010:
Casey Weigman - A veteran with good presence in the locker room. Played well early in the season but lost too much weight/steam in the second half to be effective.

Thomas Jones- A veteran presence in the lockerroom, probably responsible for us maintaining Charles (an oft overlooked point.) On the other hand he did break our first round picks hand.

Ryan Lilja - A great pickup at Guard. A starter with some miles left on him.

Shaun Smith - An awesome pickup on the defensive line. He moved on to the Titans but provided one of his best years to KC.

Mike Brown - Lost too much speed to be effective.

Jerhame Urban - Still has a roster spot anyway.

2011:

Steve Breaston - Appears to be a solid addition, currently starting opposite Bowe.

Kelly Gregg - Hopefully he can show Powe the ropes. no one is sure how much he has left in the tank.

Steve Piscitelli - Safety depth, sort of.

Brandon Siler - Appeared to be a terrific pickup until he hit the IR.

Keary Colbert - Has a roster spot. Maybe he can show some of his old magic.

Le'ron McClain - An all-pro FB should provide excellent improvement in the short yardage running game, an area sorely missed last season.

Free Agency Grade: B-
We have added some players, however I would say Pioli has only done a slightly above-average job thusfar acquiring talent through free agency.

Pioli's overall grade: B

He has substantially improved the roster and the coaching staff. However, he has a long way to go to bring us to the Bowl.

**Rausch** · 09-07-2011, 12:56 AM

Agreed with the overall grade but disagree with a lot before that...

Fritz88 · 09-07-2011, 12:57 AM

B-, Cassel hurts his grade.
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ChiefsCountry · 09-07-2011, 01:05 AM

I give him an A for most of the roster but a F on Cassel. Its the 90s Chiefs with better talent all over again.

Just Passin' By · 09-07-2011, 01:06 AM

The guy won executive of the year, helped his team go from 2 wins to 10 wins in just 2 seasons, and just had what looks to be a second consecutive excellent draft, and that's only good enough for a "B"?

This ****ing place

**Rausch** · 09-07-2011, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

The guy won executive of the year, helped his team go from 2 wins to 10 wins in just 2 seasons, and just had what looks to be a second consecutive excellent draft, and that's only good enough for a "B"?

We grading him on the Pats or what he did here?

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

This ****ing place

His first draft was definitely not excellent and compounded by a trade for a QB the fanbase is still divided on...

Hammock Parties · 09-07-2011, 01:36 AM

Draft 1: Disaster. F.

Draft 2: Better, but McCluster and Moeaki are huge question marks. C+

Draft 3: Appears to be good. A

Average: C+ (75)

FA Class 1: Disaster. F.

FA Class 2: Pretty good. B.

FA Class 3: Orgasmic. A+

Average: B (80)

Coaching hires:

Todd Haley: B - would be an A, but inability to work with OCs and dumbass decision to hire Muir lowers his grade.

Romeo Crennel: A - I'm giving Pioli credit for this moreso than Haley.

Average: B+ (85)

Overall average - 75 + 80 + 85 = B

**BigMeatballDave** · 09-07-2011, 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Gif Horse

Draft 1: Disaster. F.

Draft 2: Better, but McCluster and Moeaki are huge question marks. C+

Draft 3: Appears to be good. A

Average: C+ (75)

FA Class 1: Disaster. F.

FA Class 2: Pretty good. B.

FA Class 3: Orgasmic. A+

Average: B (80)

Coaching hires:

Todd Haley: B - would be an A, but inability to work with OCs and dumbass decision to hire Muir lowers his grade.

Romeo Crennel: A - I'm giving Pioli credit for this moreso than Haley.

Average: B+ (85)

Overall average - 75 + 80 + 85 = B

A HC does not have to work with or conform to other coaches. It's his team. Period.

Hammock Parties · 09-07-2011, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave

A HC does not have to work with or conform to other coaches. It's his team. Period.

The Weis breakup is a sign of weakness in Haley.

Quesadilla Joe · 09-07-2011, 01:46 AM

I don't know if Pioli deserves a good letter grade. He inherited every good player on the roster from Herm and Carl. He did get Berry but he shouldn't get a lot of credit for that because Berry fell right into his lap.

BigRock · 09-07-2011, 01:47 AM

I give Pioli a C+ because I'm not grading him higher than Haley, who had to work with Cassel and who had to work with Jackson and Pioli's other draft or FA stumbles. And I'm giving Haley a B because he doesn't get an A until he wins a playoff game.

NJChiefsFan · 09-07-2011, 02:02 AM

How can you grade this years draft? You give McCluster a C, did you have him as a C when we drafted him? That right there is proof that grades change once you actually see the guys play.

Pioli has brought in plenty of talent beyond just Berry. Even the guys who were here didn't hit their peak until Pioli and Haley got them. A lot of that goes to them become vets, but a lot goes to the coaching and identity of the team.

**BigMeatballDave** · 09-07-2011, 02:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gif Horse

The Weis breakup is a sign of weakness in Haley.

No its not.

**Rausch** · 09-07-2011, 02:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

I don't know if Pioli deserves a good letter grade. He inherited every good player on the roster from Herm and Carl. He did get Berry but he shouldn't get a lot of credit for that because Berry fell right into his lap.

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Just Passin' By · 09-07-2011, 02:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch

We grading him on the Pats or what he did here?

In K.C., obviously.

In 2008, here were the teams with 5 wins or fewer, with their win totals that year, and their highest win total since in parentheses:

Bengals: 4(10)
Browns: 4(5)
Jaguars: 5(8)
Raiders: 5(8)
Chiefs: 2(10)
Lions: 0(6)
Seahawks: 4(7)
Rams: 2(7)

That gives the Chiefs the best turnaround in the group, and that includes the year where Pioli was a late hire and didn't have his own staff in place. He doesn't really need what he did with the Patriots to be included in that.

Hey, it's just grades, and they're meaningless. I just get a kick out of this place bitching over an 8 game improvement in 2 years largely because a handful of people poisoned the waters about a QB who's been better than the guy they wanted the team to draft.

09-07-2011, 12:53 AM
Nightfyre MVP Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Helena, MT Casino cash: $1368849	Mid-Term Evaluation: Grading Scott Pioli Please provide your grade of Scott Pioli through the first two and a half years of service, along with some insight about why you graded him so. Mine: Changes in Head Coaches: Firing Chan Gailey - B - It was a no-brainer. Keeping him on in the capacity of an offensive coordinator was somewhat of a mess, but maybe they got some intel out of him they otherwise wouldn't have. Hiring Todd Haley - B - I like Todd Haley. I think he has the capacity and balls to bring us to the Superbowl. He definitely does things his way, which is both good and bad. He is also willing to adapt as he goes. Drafting: 2009 - Round 1: Tyson Jackson - (D) A 5-tech drafted at number 3 who should have been drafted somewhere around the middle of the first round. Jackson has failed to impress in his first two seasons; however, that is typical of defensive lineman as their development cycle is thought to average three years. He cannot possibly live up to his draft position. Round 2: Matt Cassel - (C) - Cassel has probably played at a B- level, but the huge contract he is under mitigates his play. Further, Pioli continues to stick with him despite his limited upside and time-in-service. Mike Vrabel - (C) - provided below-average play due to his speed, but supposedly provided veteran leadership. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt on that part. Round 3: Alex Magee - (F) - Traded to the Buc's to swap a fifth round pick for a sixth round pick two years later. Round 4: Donald Washington (C) - A high upside pick that just didn't pan out. I like this pick at the time. Still on the roster (they refuse to give up on him) Round 5: Colin Brown (F) - Didn't even make the opening season roster. Round 6: Quinten Lawrence (C) - Mediocre non-contributor, Currently on the Practice Squad Round 7: Javarris Williams - (C) - Released and subsequently signed with the Texans. Jake O'Connell - (C) - How does this guy justify a roster spot? Ryan Succop - (A) - What a pickup. A good kicker with the leg to become an elite one. 2010: Round 1: Eric Berry - (A+) - A super high upside pick with great intangibles, made the pro-bowl his first year. Round 2: Dexter McCluster - (C) - An undersized player they envisioned at the slot. He did win us the first game of the 2010 season, but he suffered an injury. It's hard to pin down just what McCluster will contribute. Regardless, at this point it appears unlikely to be worth a second round pick. Javier Arenas - (B-) - He is likely a career nickel-back, which he does well and has upside at. Given the frequency with which nickel-backs are used in todays NFL, I am going to say he has potential to justify his draft position, but he will have to become pretty elite. Round 3: Jon Asamoah - (B+) - He is starting in 2011, and while he does not yet appear to be elite, he certainly has the potential. Round 4: Tony Moeaki - (B) - An elite tight-end in the making. The only caveat is that he has difficulty remaining healthy. May the lord bless us with a miracle surgeon. Round 5: Kendrick Lewis - (A) - A starting FS whose play in 2010 was adequate. Here's hoping he continues to improve. Cameron Sheffield - (B) - After suffering a freak neck injury in 2010, we finally get to see Sheffield this year. He appears to be a moderate-upside player. 2011 Draft: Round 1: Jonathon Baldwin - (B+) - A top ten talent/athlete with character questions and a skill-set in severe need of an overhaul. Drafted near the bottom of round 1. His measurables are off the charts. He is slightly bigger than Larry Fitzgerald and as athletic. He must improve his attitude, his route-running, and his ability to break off press coverage. Amazing Hands. I hope this kid pans out, because I see Larry Fitzgerald upside. Round 2: Rodney Hudson - (B) - A highly-touted guard/center, but slightly undersized. Based on the preseason he is going to take some polish, but another good selection based on the information we have now. Round 3: Justin Houston - (B+) - A first round talent who dropped due to a failed drug test. He appears to have elite upside based on what we have seen thusfar. Allen Bailey - (B+) - Another highly talented individual who appears to have elite upside. Round 4: Jalil Brown - (B) - Appears to have the stuff to make it as a number 2 corner, based on what we've seen thusfar. Round 5: Ricky Stanzi - (B) - Appears to have a better skillset and arm than Cassel, but we do not have a sufficient sample to draw any conclusions yet. Round 6: Gabe Miller - (C+) - Currently on the IR. I have not seen him play yet. Jerrel Powe - (B) - Appears to have quite the upside for a nose tackle. Many would have been happy to see him drafted in round four, let alone six. Round 7: Shane Bannon - (C) - Currently on the practice squad. OVERALL DRAFTING GRADE: B I added less weight to the first draft given the timeframe in which Pioli was added. Notable Free Agents: 2009: Jovan Belcher - An UDFA who appears to have high upside as a MLB. Terrence Copper - Special Teams player 2010: Casey Weigman - A veteran with good presence in the locker room. Played well early in the season but lost too much weight/steam in the second half to be effective. Thomas Jones- A veteran presence in the lockerroom, probably responsible for us maintaining Charles (an oft overlooked point.) On the other hand he did break our first round picks hand. Ryan Lilja - A great pickup at Guard. A starter with some miles left on him. Shaun Smith - An awesome pickup on the defensive line. He moved on to the Titans but provided one of his best years to KC. Mike Brown - Lost too much speed to be effective. Jerhame Urban - Still has a roster spot anyway. 2011: Steve Breaston - Appears to be a solid addition, currently starting opposite Bowe. Kelly Gregg - Hopefully he can show Powe the ropes. no one is sure how much he has left in the tank. Steve Piscitelli - Safety depth, sort of. Brandon Siler - Appeared to be a terrific pickup until he hit the IR. Keary Colbert - Has a roster spot. Maybe he can show some of his old magic. Le'ron McClain - An all-pro FB should provide excellent improvement in the short yardage running game, an area sorely missed last season. Free Agency Grade: B- We have added some players, however I would say Pioli has only done a slightly above-average job thusfar acquiring talent through free agency. Pioli's overall grade: B He has substantially improved the roster and the coaching staff. However, he has a long way to go to bring us to the Bowl.
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Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $1020478	Draft 1: Disaster. F. Draft 2: Better, but McCluster and Moeaki are huge question marks. C+ Draft 3: Appears to be good. A Average: C+ (75) FA Class 1: Disaster. F. FA Class 2: Pretty good. B. FA Class 3: Orgasmic. A+ Average: B (80) Coaching hires: Todd Haley: B - would be an A, but inability to work with OCs and dumbass decision to hire Muir lowers his grade. Romeo Crennel: A - I'm giving Pioli credit for this moreso than Haley. Average: B+ (85) Overall average - 75 + 80 + 85 = B __________________ Chiefs game films
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Quesadilla Joe Abolish The Salary Cap! Join Date: Mar 2008 Casino cash: $3408675	I don't know if Pioli deserves a good letter grade. He inherited every good player on the roster from Herm and Carl. He did get Berry but he shouldn't get a lot of credit for that because Berry fell right into his lap. __________________ “(Sean) Payton feels as strongly about Bo Nix as he did Mahomes.“ - Adam Schefter
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BigRock Pritay Pritay Pritay Good Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: The State of Euphoria Casino cash: $805412	I give Pioli a C+ because I'm not grading him higher than Haley, who had to work with Cassel and who had to work with Jackson and Pioli's other draft or FA stumbles. And I'm giving Haley a B because he doesn't get an A until he wins a playoff game.
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09-07-2011, 02:02 AM	#12
NJChiefsFan I've Made a Huge Mistake Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: NJ Casino cash: $4500423	How can you grade this years draft? You give McCluster a C, did you have him as a C when we drafted him? That right there is proof that grades change once you actually see the guys play. Pioli has brought in plenty of talent beyond just Berry. Even the guys who were here didn't hit their peak until Pioli and Haley got them. A lot of that goes to them become vets, but a lot goes to the coaching and identity of the team.
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