Chiefs Would it be a mistake to fire Todd Haley?

**BossChief** · 12-07-2011, 11:54 PM

I started the year in full support of Haley. This team was developing into one of the better teams in football and were young across the board...despite being handcuffed to Matt Cassel. The growth in almost all of our young talent was apparent and easily recognizable.

His fiery attitude is infectious and the team plays with that emotion and passion. Haleys motivational skills are up there with about anyones.

For that, I was willing to overlook his mismanagement of situational football and a few other deficiencies that come with a first time coach and assumed that he would improve in those areas, with experience.

This is one hell of a hard season to judge because of the lack of an offseason. I am willing to give him a partial pass on the early part of the schedule because I still believe it was the right plan if we are looking at the long term big picture. It just sucks that we coincidentally ran into the injury bug at crucial positions early on.

All that said, his offense is embarrassing to watch while Romeos defense is seemingly entering GOD mode without, arguably, its best player. Everyone on earth (sans Haley, seemingly) can see that Palko has no place in the NFL and Haley is seemingly OK with betting half the year on him. I dont understand what Haley sees from a quarterback that has the weakest arm Ive ever seen in the NFL.

I still think that Haley deserves a shot at it with a real quarterback. This team is giving good effort and I think most agree it would be a contender with a real quarterback. Who could have this team in position to contend with these quarterbacks (Im not even gonna touch the Stanzi situation)?

I guess the way we deal with the remaining 4 games plays a lot into this, but at this point I think it would be a mistake to fire Haley either during or after this year, but I can see why someone would disagree with that opinion and thats why I want to see how a poll on this topic shakes out.

Do YOU think it would be a mistake to fire Todd Haley and replace him prior to next year?

rambleonthruthefog · 12-07-2011, 11:56 PM

**Shogun** · 12-07-2011, 11:56 PM

yes IMHO

Hammock Parties · 12-07-2011, 11:57 PM

We won't know until he gets another HC job.

I doubt it happens for a few years.

He's going to be lucky to get an OC job next year.

Bill Brasky · 12-08-2011, 12:00 AM

I think it would be a mistake. Who would we replace him with that's better?

**lewdog** · 12-08-2011, 12:00 AM

Haley is low on the list of many things that are wrong with this franchise not winning.

Bump · 12-08-2011, 12:01 AM

I could go either way, honestly.

Hammock Parties · 12-08-2011, 12:02 AM

To answer your question directly, no, I don't think it would be a mistake.

I'm having a hard time thinking of another coach who has been routinely blown out as much as Haley has...shitty QB or not...and has gone on to great things.

Hammock Parties · 12-08-2011, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill Brasky

I think it would be a mistake. Who would we replace him with that's better?

A proven, veteran head coach who knows how to win.

**RealSNR** · 12-08-2011, 12:04 AM

Haley doesn't deserve a good QB the way he's handled the Tyler Palko situation.

If he doesn't deserve a good QB, then he needs to get fired.

Hammock Parties · 12-08-2011, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Haley doesn't deserve a good QB the way he's handled the Tyler Palko situation.

If he doesn't deserve a good QB, then he needs to get fired.

This is exactly how I felt about Herm after his third season.

We were prepared to go into 2009 with Herm and Tyler Thigpen leading our franchise.

Uh, no.

**BossChief** · 12-08-2011, 12:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR

Haley doesn't deserve a good QB the way he's handled the Tyler Palko situation.

If he doesn't deserve a good QB, then he needs to get fired.

Actually, I think the opposite is likely true.

He has stuck with his guy through his struggles and if we are gonna draft and develop a quarterback, thats what the head coach needs to do. Its just that Palko and Cassel were/are garbage.

Haley has been the good trooper with Cassel, think how he would handle having a quarterback with talent like Barkley, RG3 or even Luck.

What if his motivational techniques worked on one of those guys the same as it has for guys like DJ and Bowe....

**RealSNR** · 12-08-2011, 12:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief

Actually, I think the opposite is likely true.

He has stuck with his guy through his struggles and if we are gonna draft and develop a quarterback, thats what the head coach needs to do. Its just that Palko and Cassel were/are garbage.

Haley has been the good trooper with Cassel, think how he would handle having a quarterback with talent like Barkley, RG3 or even Luck.

What if his motivational techniques worked on one of those guys the same as it has for guys like DJ and Bowe....

The idea is that you don't pull those kinds of motivational techniques when it comes to the QB. It's probably why Haley's cool with Cassel and Palko.

**Dave Lane** · 12-08-2011, 12:15 AM

Yes don't want to see him run out of town like Belicheck was in Cleveland.

Dr. Johnny Fever · 12-08-2011, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Omega

We won't know until he gets another HC job.

I doubt it happens for a few years.

He's going to be lucky to get an OC job next year.

The mistake you make is thinking he's gone after this season. Like so many mistakes you've made before. When he's back next year remind us why you know so much about football. You're an all or nothing person who never considers the gray area or takes time to see past your own knee jerk reactions. Actual NFL teams and especially the Chiefs don't think like that. Maybe one day you'll get that.

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yes, it would be a mistake. Haley deserves a shot with a healthy squad he built.	142	61.21%
No. Ive seen enough. Next, please.	79	34.05%
Im not voting in any of these things till I see what GAZ thinks.	11	4.74%
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BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $-1595912	Would it be a mistake to fire Todd Haley? I started the year in full support of Haley. This team was developing into one of the better teams in football and were young across the board...despite being handcuffed to Matt Cassel. The growth in almost all of our young talent was apparent and easily recognizable. His fiery attitude is infectious and the team plays with that emotion and passion. Haleys motivational skills are up there with about anyones. For that, I was willing to overlook his mismanagement of situational football and a few other deficiencies that come with a first time coach and assumed that he would improve in those areas, with experience. This is one hell of a hard season to judge because of the lack of an offseason. I am willing to give him a partial pass on the early part of the schedule because I still believe it was the right plan if we are looking at the long term big picture. It just sucks that we coincidentally ran into the injury bug at crucial positions early on. All that said, his offense is embarrassing to watch while Romeos defense is seemingly entering GOD mode without, arguably, its best player. Everyone on earth (sans Haley, seemingly) can see that Palko has no place in the NFL and Haley is seemingly OK with betting half the year on him. I dont understand what Haley sees from a quarterback that has the weakest arm Ive ever seen in the NFL. I still think that Haley deserves a shot at it with a real quarterback. This team is giving good effort and I think most agree it would be a contender with a real quarterback. Who could have this team in position to contend with these quarterbacks (Im not even gonna touch the Stanzi situation)? I guess the way we deal with the remaining 4 games plays a lot into this, but at this point I think it would be a mistake to fire Haley either during or after this year, but I can see why someone would disagree with that opinion and thats why I want to see how a poll on this topic shakes out. Do YOU think it would be a mistake to fire Todd Haley and replace him prior to next year?
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Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $980478	We won't know until he gets another HC job. I doubt it happens for a few years. He's going to be lucky to get an OC job next year. __________________ Chiefs game films
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Bill Brasky Veteran Join Date: Sep 2010 Casino cash: $7854914	I think it would be a mistake. Who would we replace him with that's better?
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Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $980478	To answer your question directly, no, I don't think it would be a mistake. I'm having a hard time thinking of another coach who has been routinely blown out as much as Haley has...shitty QB or not...and has gone on to great things. __________________ Chiefs game films
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