Sorter's Draft Thoughts

Sorter · 04-28-2012, 10:12 PM

If tl;dr I can provide Cliffs later.

1. Dontari Poe-NT Memphis
- NOt a huge fan of Poe based on what I saw from his play at Memphis. That being said, I recognize his athletic ability and potential. He just didn't show much on film to me imo. I would have preferred Brockers or a trade down, but to me this is much better than taking Kuechly or DeCastro.

2. Jeff Allen- OG IL
- Wow, Allen looks like he could immediately start over Lilja and provide an immediate upgrade. We'll likely have him sit this year, but looks to be an excellent fit with out zone blocking system. Helps solidify our O-line with a young, excellent nucleus of Allen, Hudson, and Asamoah.

3. Donald Stephensen- OT OU
-Another OL pick early, which could be used as a swing tackle or potentially Albert's replacement. Seems to have quicker feet imo from watching his combine drills and seems pretty athletic. OU only gave up 11 sacks last year IIRC, so he should be a pretty solid pass-protecter. Haven't watched any film yet but I trust Scott's judgement on OL picks since draftin Asamoah, Hudson and Allen.

4. Devon Wylie- WR Fresno State
-Is only 5'9 and looks to be exclusively used in the slot. Was really hoping for Joe Adams from AK who was snagged 2 picks earlier by Carolina. Is pretty injury prone but has good speed and runs solid routes. Can provide on returns and probably helps signal the future end of the DMC era.

5. DeQuan Menzie- CB/S Alabama
- Love this pick! Fits perfectly for our 2-3-6 scheme with 3 safeties, can play man or zone. Little small, but looks like a fantastic fit and a huge upgrade over Washington, Langford, McGraw, and Sabby Pisthebed.

6. Cyrus Gray-RB Texas A&M
-Like this pick as well for its value. PLenty had Gray pegged earlier and we were able to pick up a back who can block, catch, and runs pretty well. Again, probably solidifies the idea Hillis is a one year rental and will steal snaps from DMC.

7. Jerome Long-DE San Diego State
-Literally know nothing about this pick, other than he projects as a 5-tech DE for us who can be used inside on passing downs. Had 5 sacks IIRC last year, so that is a plus. Would have preferred Minnifield or Alfonzo Denard, who went off the board later to NE.

7. Jr. Hemingway-WR UM
-Looks to contribute on special teams and possibly take Terrence Coppers job in the future if he can make the team. Has pretty good speed and is large for being 6'1 (225lbs). There was still some talent left on the board IMO, would have preferred Brewster to back up Hudson, but am okay with the pick.

Overall, I give us a B. I was initially furious at the Poe pick and am still pretty pissed we didn't address another pass-rusher. I was pissed thinking that we had gone true fan the first 3 picks and bitter that Broyles was gone. Joe Adams going right before us was a bummer for me too. We needed to pick up another pass-rusher though; if Tamba goes down this year, we are ****ed. However, I love the Allen and Menzie picks. Think those two have a chance to contribute early and often.

Micjones · 05-01-2012, 08:11 AM

As weird as it may sound, I am most excited about what Cyrus Gray will contribute in year one. I think he can contribute immediately.

TRR · 05-01-2012, 08:19 AM

Statistically Brockers didn't produce that much more than Poe in college.

Wylie should be the kick and punt return guy immediately. He should make Copper expendable. I don't think Wylie will help much at WR.

I like the Gray, Menzie and Hemmingway picks. I would have looked elsewhere in round 3 and 7 replacing Stephenson and Long. I'm nervous about Stephenson's background and only two years of starters experience. Jerome Long was a big reach....but its the 7th round.
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htismaqe · 05-01-2012, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by TRR

Statistically Brockers didn't produce that much more than Poe in college.

Wylie should be the kick and punt return guy immediately. He should make Copper expendable. I don't think Wylie will help much at WR.

I like the Gray, Menzie and Hemmingway picks. I would have looked elsewhere in round 3 and 7 replacing Stephenson and Long. I'm nervous about Stephenson's background and only two years of starters experience. Jerome Long was a big reach....but its the 7th round.
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Copper is a valuable blocker on ST and also plays on coverage units. Wylie isn't pushing him out, they do two different things.

DJ's left nut · 05-01-2012, 08:46 AM

I keep hearing how valuable Copper is on special teams and I gotta say - I don't see it.

I'm a ST holder so I probably see a fair amount more STs stuff than most folks at home do. Ultimately Copper isn't a bad special teamer, but the idea that he's this standout guy is just odd to me. It's not like he's Gary Stills out there. And ultimately our special teams are generally average so he's not exactly the glue holding an elite unit together.

He's just another guy. But coach-speak has identified him as a special teams warrior or something so fans bite.

The Chiefs could lose him and not miss a beat.

Direckshun · 05-01-2012, 09:20 AM

Well it can go a couple ways.

First of all, I believe that Copper's a standout on special teams, so there's that.

I also believe it's important for the locker room to have a core of guys who treasure playing on special teams.

TRR · 05-01-2012, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Copper is a valuable blocker on ST and also plays on coverage units. Wylie isn't pushing him out, they do two different things.

Wylie will play on coverage units as he did in college. Anyone can be assigned the blocking duties. If your prediction is correct than Wylie will have a tough time making the active roster with Bowe, Baldwin, Breaston and Copper, (and possibly) McCluster up nearly every week.
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Chiefnj2 · 05-01-2012, 09:30 AM

Copper had three tackles last year.

**The Franchise** · 05-01-2012, 09:57 AM

I would rather see Hemingway stick at WR than Copper.

Bowe
Baldwin
Breaston
Wylie
Hemingway

Frosty · 05-01-2012, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

I would rather see Hemingway stick at WR than Copper.

Bowe
Baldwin
Breaston
Wylie
Hemingway

Haley always seemed to go light on TE and/or RB and heavy on WR. I wonder if RAC will keep 5 or 6 WR?

**RealSNR** · 05-01-2012, 10:09 AM

I can't wait for Copper to make the 53-man roster this fall and for all of you to bitch like crazy.

"WHAT?! How does he keep ****ing doing this? He's terrible? Why can't we get rid of this guy?!"

I'll be trolling your asses off LA Chieffan-style.

**DaKCMan AP** · 05-01-2012, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Frosty

Haley always seemed to go light on TE and/or RB and heavy on WR. I wonder if RAC will keep 5 or 6 WR?

3QB
4RB
5WR
3TE
9OL
1K
1P
1LS
9DL
8LB
10DB

Chiefnj2 · 05-01-2012, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR

I can't wait for Copper to make the 53-man roster this fall and for all of you to bitch like crazy.

"WHAT?! How does he keep ****ing doing this? He's terrible? Why can't we get rid of this guy?!"

I'll be trolling your asses off LA Chieffan-style.

So if he makes the team and continues to have a marginal, if any, impact then you'll be happy?

Frosty · 05-01-2012, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

3QB
4RB
5WR
3TE
9OL
1K
1P
1LS
9DL
8LB
10DB

Is that Crennel's typical breakdown?

I could see Maneri being a hybrid TE/OL, which would free a roster spot.

htismaqe · 05-01-2012, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by TRR

Wylie will play on coverage units as he did in college. Anyone can be assigned the blocking duties. If your prediction is correct than Wylie will have a tough time making the active roster with Bowe, Baldwin, Breaston and Copper, (and possibly) McCluster up nearly every week.
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I fully expect Wylie to end up on the practice squad. He doesn't have enough tenure to make the team.

04-28-2012, 10:12 PM
Sorter Caralho Join Date: Sep 2011 Casino cash: $9611474	Sorter's Draft Thoughts If tl;dr I can provide Cliffs later. 1. Dontari Poe-NT Memphis - NOt a huge fan of Poe based on what I saw from his play at Memphis. That being said, I recognize his athletic ability and potential. He just didn't show much on film to me imo. I would have preferred Brockers or a trade down, but to me this is much better than taking Kuechly or DeCastro. 2. Jeff Allen- OG IL - Wow, Allen looks like he could immediately start over Lilja and provide an immediate upgrade. We'll likely have him sit this year, but looks to be an excellent fit with out zone blocking system. Helps solidify our O-line with a young, excellent nucleus of Allen, Hudson, and Asamoah. 3. Donald Stephensen- OT OU -Another OL pick early, which could be used as a swing tackle or potentially Albert's replacement. Seems to have quicker feet imo from watching his combine drills and seems pretty athletic. OU only gave up 11 sacks last year IIRC, so he should be a pretty solid pass-protecter. Haven't watched any film yet but I trust Scott's judgement on OL picks since draftin Asamoah, Hudson and Allen. 4. Devon Wylie- WR Fresno State -Is only 5'9 and looks to be exclusively used in the slot. Was really hoping for Joe Adams from AK who was snagged 2 picks earlier by Carolina. Is pretty injury prone but has good speed and runs solid routes. Can provide on returns and probably helps signal the future end of the DMC era. 5. DeQuan Menzie- CB/S Alabama - Love this pick! Fits perfectly for our 2-3-6 scheme with 3 safeties, can play man or zone. Little small, but looks like a fantastic fit and a huge upgrade over Washington, Langford, McGraw, and Sabby Pisthebed. 6. Cyrus Gray-RB Texas A&M -Like this pick as well for its value. PLenty had Gray pegged earlier and we were able to pick up a back who can block, catch, and runs pretty well. Again, probably solidifies the idea Hillis is a one year rental and will steal snaps from DMC. 7. Jerome Long-DE San Diego State -Literally know nothing about this pick, other than he projects as a 5-tech DE for us who can be used inside on passing downs. Had 5 sacks IIRC last year, so that is a plus. Would have preferred Minnifield or Alfonzo Denard, who went off the board later to NE. 7. Jr. Hemingway-WR UM -Looks to contribute on special teams and possibly take Terrence Coppers job in the future if he can make the team. Has pretty good speed and is large for being 6'1 (225lbs). There was still some talent left on the board IMO, would have preferred Brewster to back up Hudson, but am okay with the pick. Overall, I give us a B. I was initially furious at the Poe pick and am still pretty pissed we didn't address another pass-rusher. I was pissed thinking that we had gone true fan the first 3 picks and bitter that Broyles was gone. Joe Adams going right before us was a bummer for me too. We needed to pick up another pass-rusher though; if Tamba goes down this year, we are ****ed. However, I love the Allen and Menzie picks. Think those two have a chance to contribute early and often.
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05-01-2012, 08:11 AM	#2
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05-01-2012, 08:19 AM	#3
TRR The Priest and I Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: CO Casino cash: $9480185	Statistically Brockers didn't produce that much more than Poe in college. Wylie should be the kick and punt return guy immediately. He should make Copper expendable. I don't think Wylie will help much at WR. I like the Gray, Menzie and Hemmingway picks. I would have looked elsewhere in round 3 and 7 replacing Stephenson and Long. I'm nervous about Stephenson's background and only two years of starters experience. Jerome Long was a big reach....but its the 7th round. Posted via Mobile Device
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05-01-2012, 08:46 AM	#5
DJ's left nut Sauntering Vaguely Downwards Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Columbia, Mo Casino cash: $-650901	I keep hearing how valuable Copper is on special teams and I gotta say - I don't see it. I'm a ST holder so I probably see a fair amount more STs stuff than most folks at home do. Ultimately Copper isn't a bad special teamer, but the idea that he's this standout guy is just odd to me. It's not like he's Gary Stills out there. And ultimately our special teams are generally average so he's not exactly the glue holding an elite unit together. He's just another guy. But coach-speak has identified him as a special teams warrior or something so fans bite. The Chiefs could lose him and not miss a beat. __________________ "If there's a god, he's laughing at us.....and our football team..." "When you look at something through rose colored glasses, all the red flags just look like flags."
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05-01-2012, 09:20 AM	#6
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2103447	Well it can go a couple ways. First of all, I believe that Copper's a standout on special teams, so there's that. I also believe it's important for the locker room to have a core of guys who treasure playing on special teams.
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