Chiefs Mellinger: Chiefs are built for an era thats past.....

Deberg_1990 · 09-20-2012, 06:51 AM

Babb and Mellinger, just killin it this week.

http://www.kansascity.com/2012/09/19...is-on-the.html

The talk this week is about Scott Pioli’s competence, Clark Hunt’s commitment and Romeo Crennel’s laid-back leadership, and that’s all good and relevant in many ways, but it also misses a very important point that can be summed up something like this:
Even at full strength, the Chiefs are metaphorically not only running a race on a tightrope but doing it directly into the wind.

Matt Cassel’s limitations have been exaggerated and dramatized, a topic as omnipresent around here as potholes, but the argument for him being anything better than a bottom-quarter passer in the NFL is difficult to make.

That’s frustrating enough on its own, but it becomes a game-changer when you put context to the bigger plan on which Pioli is essentially betting his career in Kansas City. The organizational hope — or foundation, because the whole thing crumbles if they’re wrong here — is that Cassel is good enough to facilitate a championship team.

Even a distracted child can realize, just by watching games, that the NFL is a passing league. But when you look at some plain and simple numbers, you will dismiss any notion that the Chiefs are making chicken salad out of something much less appetizing.
Actually, they’re giving their fans the same old meal.
The numbers are clear, and they’re not encouraging.

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The forward pass got a late start in American football, banned for the sport’s first few decades, and in a lot of ways has been playing catch-up ever since. Even now, when the NFL’s three most expensive positions are the quarterback, the left tackle who protects the quarterback and the defensive end who sacks the quarterback, our clichés are stuck in the days of black-and-white television.

Do a quick Google search on all the coaches who say they have to establish the run and stop the run.

And then digest some statistics that say they’re all full of hooey.
“Everybody says you gotta stop the run, stop the run,” Chiefs linebacker Derrick Johnson says. “But you gotta stop the pass, too.”

Last year, the 10 teams that ran the ball most effectively (by yards per carry) went a combined 82-78. The 10 teams that threw the ball most effectively (by passer rating) went a combined 113-47.

The 10 teams that stopped the run most effectively went a combined 83-77. The 10 teams that stopped the pass most effectively went a combined 96-64.
Put another way: The teams that excelled in the running game won as many times as they lost, while the teams that excelled in the passing game won enough to make the playoffs. That’s the whole thing right there: mediocre or successful, fired or given a raise.
This is more than the anecdotal evidence often used about the Giants winning the Super Bowl last year with the league’s worst running game. And it is particularly timely this week, because the Saints and Chiefs rank fifth and sixth in yards per carry, respectively, and have yet to win a game.

Turnovers have been a particular problem for both teams, but again, the biggest chunk of that problem is coming through the air: Matt Cassel has thrown three interceptions and fumbled twice, while Drew Brees has thrown four interceptions and fumbled once.
Nearly 70 percent of the yards gained in the NFL this season have come through the air, which would be the highest rate in league history.

Perhaps the new maxim should be, “We need to establish the pass and stop the pass.”
“Kind of, because you need to make plays in the passing game,” Charles says. “When you throw the ball down the field, more often those are bigger plays than running plays.”
This is all particularly discouraging when studied through the prism of the Chiefs, and not just as it pertains to the health of defensive backs Eric Berry, Brandon Flowers and Kendrick Lewis. Over the offseason, the Chiefs downgraded at cornerback, going from Brandon Carr to Stanford Routt, while improving at running back, by signing Peyton Hillis to pair with Charles. On top of that, so much of the Chiefs’ focus through recent drafts has been on finding defensive linemen to stop the run.

Meanwhile, if you allow for improvement from young players like Jacksonville’s Blaine Gabbert and Cleveland’s Brandon Weeden, it’s not a stretch to say the Chiefs have one of the three worst quarterback situations in football.

The NFL world is zigging right, and the Chiefs are zagging left.
Increasingly, it looks like they’re being left behind.
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One of Pioli’s biggest successes in Kansas City has been surrounding Cassel with one of the league’s better groups of skills players. There just aren’t many teams that can match the Chiefs’ crop of receivers, running backs and tight ends.

So it’s not that they’re ignoring the pass. Bowe is making close to $10 million this year, and new tight end Kevin Boss made a remarkable touchdown catch against the Falcons — and then was injured in Buffalo. It’s just that they are increasingly emphasizing the run, which by definition increasingly de-emphasizes the pass.

When Todd Haley was hired as head coach, he went from designing a pass-first offense with Kurt Warner and Larry Fitzgerald to a power running game featuring Charles. Cassel’s success in 2010 is often credited to former offensive coordinator Charlie Weis, but it’s just as likely that Haley benefitted from defenses having to focus so much on the run (as well as string of would-be interceptions dropped by defenders). Crennel is now the head coach, his reputation in large part anchored by coordinating defenses that stopped the run in New England.

There is a bit of a chicken-and-egg aspect to all of this — of course the Chiefs would love to have an elite quarterback; but since they lack one, they are trying to create and emphasize other strengths.

But it’s hard to find a team anywhere else in the NFL that’s stressing the run as hard as the Chiefs. And it’s impossible to find another time in the league’s history where doing so is less important.

Bewbies · 09-20-2012, 06:57 AM

What's sad is the millions and millions of dollars paid to folks who should know this...we are building a team to compete in the 1980's NFL.

**bevischief** · 09-20-2012, 07:00 AM

Clark clean house now.

Black Bob · 09-20-2012, 07:01 AM

What's really sad is that there is only one way to do it now.

Chiefnj2 · 09-20-2012, 07:06 AM

"One of Pioli’s biggest successes in Kansas City has been surrounding Cassel with one of the league’s better groups of skills players. There just aren’t many teams that can match the Chiefs’ crop of receivers, running backs and tight ends."

Really? What's the proof?

**notorious** · 09-20-2012, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackBob

What's really sad is that there is only one way to do it now.

For once we agree.

mr. tegu · 09-20-2012, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

"One of Pioli’s biggest successes in Kansas City has been surrounding Cassel with one of the league’s better groups of skills players. There just aren’t many teams that can match the Chiefs’ crop of receivers, running backs and tight ends."

Really? What's the proof?

A team that won 17 games the past two seasons with Cassel and Palko/Orton starting and not even full strength last season.

**notorious** · 09-20-2012, 07:13 AM

Losing by double figures every game fails during any era.

Chiefnj2 · 09-20-2012, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by mr. tegu

A team that won 17 games the past two seasons with Cassel and Palko/Orton starting and not even full strength last season.

Saying this team has tons of weapons reminds me of 85% of the fanbase 7 weeks ago after KC's first preseason game. Everyone was talking about what a great roster and depth that Pioli built and it was ONLY Cassel holding the team back. Weeks later every single phase of the team stinks - passing game, running game, blocking, run D, pass D, special teams.

The reality is that these "playmakers" are questionable.

Charles - will he ever return from his knee?
Moeaki - will he ever return from his knee, plus he was overrated his rookie year.
Hillis - not effective game 1, critical fumble game 2, tons of issues last year.

WRs - being honest, McCluster MIGHT be the best WR on the team. Best route runner and better hands than Bowe. Bowe is good, but inconsistent. Baldwin has yet to emerge and Breaston has always been a complimentary player.

Paper tigers.

**notorious** · 09-20-2012, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

. Everyone was talking about what a great roster and depth that Pioli built and it was ONLY Cassel holding the team back.

Not this guy.

CoMoChief · 09-20-2012, 07:27 AM

Our 2 best LB's are going to be on the downside of their careers by the time our offense is ever worth a crap...whenever we get a real QB.

**notorious** · 09-20-2012, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief

Our 2 best LB's are going to be on the downside of their careers by the time our offense is ever worth a crap...whenever we get a real QB.

We are all going to have to live with the fact the only a few of the current "stars" on the team are going to be here when/if the Chiefs become competitive again.

mr. tegu · 09-20-2012, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Saying this team has tons of weapons reminds me of 85% of the fanbase 7 weeks ago after KC's first preseason game. Everyone was talking about what a great roster and depth that Pioli built and it was ONLY Cassel holding the team back. Weeks later every single phase of the team stinks - passing game, running game, blocking, run D, pass D, special teams.

The reality is that these "playmakers" are questionable.

Charles - will he ever return from his knee?
Moeaki - will he ever return from his knee, plus he was overrated his rookie year.
Hillis - not effective game 1, critical fumble game 2, tons of issues last year.

WRs - being honest, McCluster MIGHT be the best WR on the team. Best route runner and better hands than Bowe. Bowe is good, but inconsistent. Baldwin has yet to emerge and Breaston has always been a complimentary player.

Paper tigers.

Charles looks not too bad. He will continue to get better. They just need to stop running him between the tackles. I have no worries about Hillis. Moeaki, like most TE is not going to get wide open all the time and needs a QB that can get him the ball when he does get some space. His health is an issue though.

Baldwin and Breaston suffer from a QB that can't spread the ball around. If he is targeting you that game he will get you otherwise it's a crapshoot.

Only an idiot would suggest Bowe is not our best WR and is inconsistent. He has put up some of the best numbers in the league each of the past four seasons with garbage throwing him the ball. 3 of the last 4 seasons with at least 1,000 yards receiving just screams inconsistency doesn't it. His QBs are inconsistent at best. Not him.

Black Bob · 09-20-2012, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by notorious

We are all going to have to live with the fact the only a few of the current "stars" on the team are going to be here when/if the Chiefs become competitive again.

I am fine with that. Aside from Berry, we need better stars imo. I see alot of role players. We need leadership in a bad way. Hopefully, we can get a QB and a MLB that are real leaders. That has got to be where we start.

KCUnited · 09-20-2012, 07:34 AM

Fire up the El Camino for Geno

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Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $314454	Mellinger: Chiefs are built for an era thats past..... Babb and Mellinger, just killin it this week. http://www.kansascity.com/2012/09/19...is-on-the.html The talk this week is about Scott Pioli’s competence, Clark Hunt’s commitment and Romeo Crennel’s laid-back leadership, and that’s all good and relevant in many ways, but it also misses a very important point that can be summed up something like this: Even at full strength, the Chiefs are metaphorically not only running a race on a tightrope but doing it directly into the wind. Matt Cassel’s limitations have been exaggerated and dramatized, a topic as omnipresent around here as potholes, but the argument for him being anything better than a bottom-quarter passer in the NFL is difficult to make. That’s frustrating enough on its own, but it becomes a game-changer when you put context to the bigger plan on which Pioli is essentially betting his career in Kansas City. The organizational hope — or foundation, because the whole thing crumbles if they’re wrong here — is that Cassel is good enough to facilitate a championship team. Even a distracted child can realize, just by watching games, that the NFL is a passing league. But when you look at some plain and simple numbers, you will dismiss any notion that the Chiefs are making chicken salad out of something much less appetizing. Actually, they’re giving their fans the same old meal. The numbers are clear, and they’re not encouraging. ________________________________________ The forward pass got a late start in American football, banned for the sport’s first few decades, and in a lot of ways has been playing catch-up ever since. Even now, when the NFL’s three most expensive positions are the quarterback, the left tackle who protects the quarterback and the defensive end who sacks the quarterback, our clichés are stuck in the days of black-and-white television. Do a quick Google search on all the coaches who say they have to establish the run and stop the run. And then digest some statistics that say they’re all full of hooey. “Everybody says you gotta stop the run, stop the run,” Chiefs linebacker Derrick Johnson says. “But you gotta stop the pass, too.” Last year, the 10 teams that ran the ball most effectively (by yards per carry) went a combined 82-78. The 10 teams that threw the ball most effectively (by passer rating) went a combined 113-47. The 10 teams that stopped the run most effectively went a combined 83-77. The 10 teams that stopped the pass most effectively went a combined 96-64. Put another way: The teams that excelled in the running game won as many times as they lost, while the teams that excelled in the passing game won enough to make the playoffs. That’s the whole thing right there: mediocre or successful, fired or given a raise. This is more than the anecdotal evidence often used about the Giants winning the Super Bowl last year with the league’s worst running game. And it is particularly timely this week, because the Saints and Chiefs rank fifth and sixth in yards per carry, respectively, and have yet to win a game. Turnovers have been a particular problem for both teams, but again, the biggest chunk of that problem is coming through the air: Matt Cassel has thrown three interceptions and fumbled twice, while Drew Brees has thrown four interceptions and fumbled once. Nearly 70 percent of the yards gained in the NFL this season have come through the air, which would be the highest rate in league history. Perhaps the new maxim should be, “We need to establish the pass and stop the pass.” “Kind of, because you need to make plays in the passing game,” Charles says. “When you throw the ball down the field, more often those are bigger plays than running plays.” This is all particularly discouraging when studied through the prism of the Chiefs, and not just as it pertains to the health of defensive backs Eric Berry, Brandon Flowers and Kendrick Lewis. Over the offseason, the Chiefs downgraded at cornerback, going from Brandon Carr to Stanford Routt, while improving at running back, by signing Peyton Hillis to pair with Charles. On top of that, so much of the Chiefs’ focus through recent drafts has been on finding defensive linemen to stop the run. Meanwhile, if you allow for improvement from young players like Jacksonville’s Blaine Gabbert and Cleveland’s Brandon Weeden, it’s not a stretch to say the Chiefs have one of the three worst quarterback situations in football. The NFL world is zigging right, and the Chiefs are zagging left. Increasingly, it looks like they’re being left behind. ________________________________________ One of Pioli’s biggest successes in Kansas City has been surrounding Cassel with one of the league’s better groups of skills players. There just aren’t many teams that can match the Chiefs’ crop of receivers, running backs and tight ends. So it’s not that they’re ignoring the pass. Bowe is making close to $10 million this year, and new tight end Kevin Boss made a remarkable touchdown catch against the Falcons — and then was injured in Buffalo. It’s just that they are increasingly emphasizing the run, which by definition increasingly de-emphasizes the pass. When Todd Haley was hired as head coach, he went from designing a pass-first offense with Kurt Warner and Larry Fitzgerald to a power running game featuring Charles. Cassel’s success in 2010 is often credited to former offensive coordinator Charlie Weis, but it’s just as likely that Haley benefitted from defenses having to focus so much on the run (as well as string of would-be interceptions dropped by defenders). Crennel is now the head coach, his reputation in large part anchored by coordinating defenses that stopped the run in New England. There is a bit of a chicken-and-egg aspect to all of this — of course the Chiefs would love to have an elite quarterback; but since they lack one, they are trying to create and emphasize other strengths. But it’s hard to find a team anywhere else in the NFL that’s stressing the run as hard as the Chiefs. And it’s impossible to find another time in the league’s history where doing so is less important.
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