Chiefs Let's discuss how Chiefs 2014 sets up 2015

chiefzilla1501 · 09-24-2014, 09:30 PM

Based on the last few weeks have played out, there's a few interesting things to consider at lots of different positions. And in many cases, we should consider tinkering in 2014 to find answers:

QB - Hope Murray progresses enough to cut Daniel and his contract yesterday. We don't know how quickly Murray is progressing. Any backup snaps in garbage time this year should go to Murray

TE - Do we cut Fasano next year if Kelce and Harris continue to progress? Common sense answer is yes, but he's not bad depth and we're only saving $2M if we cut him next year

Center - This is a no-brainer. Re-sign Hudson at market value, which should be about $3-4M. Although if they cut him loose Kush is a good replacement option

Guard - I don't care about continuity. Get McGlynn out of there yesterday. I know Fulton is young but just not excited about the kid's ceiling. Do we consider prepping Kush for a transition to Guard to be a flex Guard/Center (since Hudson may have locked the position down)? Do we consider starting Duvarney-Tardif the minute he seems ready? I am betting both Fulton and McGlynn are not starting by year end. Will be interesting to see who the starting 2 will be

Right Tackle - Another interesting question... Jeff Allen and Stephenson should probably be starting. Are we better off with Allen at RT and Stephenson at Guard? Or Stephenson at RT and Allen at Guard? I actually think Allen is better suited for Right Tackle and that Stephenson would make a good Guard

Safety - Abdullah seemed very comfortable in the Strong Safety role. Even though Ryan defenses focus on playmakers at SS and heady but less athletic guys at FS, think it's time to change that. When Berry comes back from injury, will they plug him in at FS?

DE - Interesting situation. Cutting DeVito next year saves you $4M, but Bailey and Vickerson will be free agents and could see sizeable pay bumps. If Catapano comes back and has a strong finish, which of Bailey, Vickerson, and DeVito do you keep / cut? What is the max you'd be willing to pay Bailey and Vickerson to keep them around next year (especially Vickerson, who will be 32)?

ILB - When DJ and Mays comes back, what happens? We all think JMJ should keep starting next to DJ, but will Sutton start Mays or Mauga over JMJ?

OLB - If Ford shows progress, do you pay Hali $14M to be on the roster next year? What do you pay Houston -- I think best option is to franchise him next year then immediately work on a 2015 extension (when more cap space will become available).

'Hamas' Jenkins · 09-24-2014, 09:40 PM

Berry, on a bad heel and with a troublesome ankle, is likely not going to have the speed to play centerfield.

DJ is almost certain to be cut, as is Hali, barring a restructuring. If Houston only has an eight sack year, giving him a franchise tag might look a little foolish. If he wants to be the highest paid OLB in football and isn't giving you surplus value by doing it, he's better off elsewhere.

Daniel and Bray should both be cut next year.

Nearly the entire OL should be blown up.

DeVito should be gone. Catapano is a myth

Mr_Tomahawk · 09-24-2014, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Daniel and Bray should both be cut next year.

...in addition to your wrists.

**TribalElder** · 09-24-2014, 09:49 PM

Well, after winning the SuperBowl this season we just reload again and keep going right!

chiefzilla1501 · 09-24-2014, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by TribalElder

Well, after winning the SuperBowl this season we just reload again and keep going right!

By year end, we might find that we Hudson, Bailey, JMJ, Abdullah, Stephenson, Kelce are good enough to be good, cheap long-term options even considering that some of them are up for new contracts next year. Most aren't stellar, but they might end up being solid enough to start most at positions that aren't necessarily mission critical.

thabear04 · 09-24-2014, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Berry, on a bad heel and with a troublesome ankle, is likely not going to have the speed to play centerfield.

DJ is almost certain to be cut, as is Hali, barring a restructuring. If Houston only has an eight sack year, giving him a franchise tag might look a little foolish. If he wants to be the highest paid OLB in football and isn't giving you surplus value by doing it, he's better off elsewhere.

Daniel and Bray should both be cut next year.

Nearly the entire OL should be blown up.

DeVito should be gone. Catapano is a myth

This is Bray last year unless we resign him to another contract at the end of the season.

Mr_Tomahawk · 09-24-2014, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by thabear04

This is Bray last year unless we resign him to another contract at the end of the season.

Srsly?

fUQ!

chiefzilla1501 · 09-24-2014, 10:08 PM

I guess I'm not seeing DJ getting cut. Only costs $5M against the cap next year which is still a steal. Plays a position where you can get a little more mileage in later years. I even think a $4-5M per year contract in his twilight years is a pretty decent deal.

Discuss Thrower · 09-24-2014, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I guess I'm not seeing DJ getting cut. Only costs $5M against the cap next year which is still a steal. Plays a position where you can get a little more mileage in later years. I even think a $4-5M per year contract in his twilight years is a pretty decent deal.

Not worth the money for a guy coming off an Achilles' tear.

thabear04 · 09-24-2014, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Not worth the money for a guy coming off an Achilles' tear.

I can't see them cutting him. Unless we go after a MLB in the draft or free agent.

Mr_Tomahawk · 09-24-2014, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by thabear04

This is Bray last year unless we resign him to another contract at the end of the season.

Wrong!

He signed a 3 year deal...

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/kansas-ci...fs/tyler-bray/

**cdcox** · 09-24-2014, 10:14 PM

Let's discuss how becoming addicted to intravenous drugs leads to AIDS.

thabear04 · 09-24-2014, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk

Wrong!

He signed a 3 year deal...

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/kansas-ci...fs/tyler-bray/

Thought it was a 2 year thanks for letting me know.

Direckshun · 09-24-2014, 10:16 PM

I'm pretty sure Bray's only in his 2nd year of a 3 year contract.

Simply Red · 09-24-2014, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

I'm pretty sure Bray's only in his 2nd year of a 3 year contract.

You seem nice to me.

09-24-2014, 09:30 PM
chiefzilla1501 In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2008 Casino cash: $-1545503	Let's discuss how Chiefs 2014 sets up 2015 Based on the last few weeks have played out, there's a few interesting things to consider at lots of different positions. And in many cases, we should consider tinkering in 2014 to find answers: QB - Hope Murray progresses enough to cut Daniel and his contract yesterday. We don't know how quickly Murray is progressing. Any backup snaps in garbage time this year should go to Murray TE - Do we cut Fasano next year if Kelce and Harris continue to progress? Common sense answer is yes, but he's not bad depth and we're only saving $2M if we cut him next year Center - This is a no-brainer. Re-sign Hudson at market value, which should be about $3-4M. Although if they cut him loose Kush is a good replacement option Guard - I don't care about continuity. Get McGlynn out of there yesterday. I know Fulton is young but just not excited about the kid's ceiling. Do we consider prepping Kush for a transition to Guard to be a flex Guard/Center (since Hudson may have locked the position down)? Do we consider starting Duvarney-Tardif the minute he seems ready? I am betting both Fulton and McGlynn are not starting by year end. Will be interesting to see who the starting 2 will be Right Tackle - Another interesting question... Jeff Allen and Stephenson should probably be starting. Are we better off with Allen at RT and Stephenson at Guard? Or Stephenson at RT and Allen at Guard? I actually think Allen is better suited for Right Tackle and that Stephenson would make a good Guard Safety - Abdullah seemed very comfortable in the Strong Safety role. Even though Ryan defenses focus on playmakers at SS and heady but less athletic guys at FS, think it's time to change that. When Berry comes back from injury, will they plug him in at FS? DE - Interesting situation. Cutting DeVito next year saves you $4M, but Bailey and Vickerson will be free agents and could see sizeable pay bumps. If Catapano comes back and has a strong finish, which of Bailey, Vickerson, and DeVito do you keep / cut? What is the max you'd be willing to pay Bailey and Vickerson to keep them around next year (especially Vickerson, who will be 32)? ILB - When DJ and Mays comes back, what happens? We all think JMJ should keep starting next to DJ, but will Sutton start Mays or Mauga over JMJ? OLB - If Ford shows progress, do you pay Hali $14M to be on the roster next year? What do you pay Houston -- I think best option is to franchise him next year then immediately work on a 2015 extension (when more cap space will become available).
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chiefzilla1501 In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2008 Casino cash: $-1545503	I guess I'm not seeing DJ getting cut. Only costs $5M against the cap next year which is still a steal. Plays a position where you can get a little more mileage in later years. I even think a $4-5M per year contract in his twilight years is a pretty decent deal.
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