Chiefs Let's take a CLOSER look at the defense

UChieffyBugger · 08-27-2018, 04:28 PM

So many are in panic mode, so many are searching for someone to talk them off of the ledge, so I figured we might as well take a closer look at our potential starting defense come opening day.

Secondary

Nelson (CB)
Fuller (CB)
Berry (S)
Murray (S)

Front seven

Ragland (ILB)
Hitchens (ILB)
Houston (OLB)
Ford/Kpass (OLB)
Bailey (DE)
Jones (DE)
Williams (DT)

Now, there is still time for acquisitions but as we stand right now that is the defense. Is it THAT bad yall? We're all going nuts about it and even Nick Wright was saying "it's the worse defense in the NFL", but hold on, this defense hasn't even played together yet so how can anyone come to that conclusion?

IF we're judging the defense solely on what we've seen in preseason then I think we're being naive. Fuller is a stud, Berry is proven when healthy, Ragland impressed last season, Hitchens is a workhorse, Jones is a rising star and Houston is one of the best in the game.

We have plenty of talent on this defense. We just have to see them all on the field at the same damn time and then pray that they stay healthy. Because man for man I don't think those eleven players are bad at all.

Molitoth · 08-27-2018, 04:33 PM

Well...

Yes. They are going to suck.

Fuller is a stud. (really? May be a little too early to judge don't you think)

Berry is proven when healthy. (He is rarely healthy)

Houston is one of the best in the game. (At coverage? He isn't getting sacks anymore)

**Rausch** · 08-27-2018, 04:34 PM

I think it's time to panic when Chicago schreds you with a b/u QB and HB.

Yes, I agree, Daniel is likely the best b/u in the league at present.

That said they moved the ball on us at will and really didn't run much...

UChieffyBugger · 08-27-2018, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Molitoth

Well...

Yes. They are going to suck.

Why do you think they will suck?

UChieffyBugger · 08-27-2018, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

I think it's time to panic when Chicago schreds you with a b/u QB and HB.

Yes, I agree, Daniel is likely the best b/u in the league at present.

That said they moved the ball on us at will and really didn't run much...

Against a back-up defense though.

TLO · 08-27-2018, 04:36 PM

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Three7s · 08-27-2018, 04:37 PM

Yes, it is THAT bad. Will Berry actually play and play for an extended period? I doubt that.

You're also heavily assuming that the defense won't run much in the way of nickel and dime defenses, which require extra DBs. Whenever Nelson returns, that will still be an ongoing issue because beyond Nelson, who is still unproven in my book beyond the slot, there is next to nothing.

Everyone likes bashing the 2003 Chiefs defense, and rightfully so, but this secondary looks worse than that abomination.

Molitoth · 08-27-2018, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger

Why do you think they will suck?

Bob Sutton

3rd and 12? Align your CB's with a 14 yard pad....

Without Marcus Peters here to bail him out with a lot of turnovers, it's going to get nasty, or Bob will have to adjust.
We all have seen how well Bob is at adjusting.

UChieffyBugger · 08-27-2018, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by TLO

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**New World Order** · 08-27-2018, 04:39 PM

On paper it's not bad

But we've sure looked bad.

UChieffyBugger · 08-27-2018, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Three7s

Yes, it is THAT bad. Will Berry actually play and play for an extended period? I doubt that.

You're also heavily assuming that the defense won't run much in the way of nickel and dime defenses, which require extra DBs. Whenever Nelson returns, that will still be an ongoing issue because beyond Nelson, who is still unproven in my book beyond the slot, there is next to nothing.

Everyone likes bashing the 2003 Chiefs defense, and rightfully so, but this secondary looks worse than that abomination.

Didn't Nelson play on the outside when we totally shut down the Raiders for near enough three-quarters last season? And it's all very well picking on the secondary, but what about the front seven? You've said nothing about that. I also don't think the 2003 team had as much talent as this defense does.

ToxSocks · 08-27-2018, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by New World Order

On paper it's not bad

But we've sure looked bad.

They played way worse than they look on paper, that's for sure.

**Rausch** · 08-27-2018, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger

Against a back-up defense though.

Those first two drives we rotated.

Yes, it wasn't our "pure" starters.

We'll never see our "pure starters" because we disguise our sub packages to look like single high.

Hell, based on our D talent I'll go out on a limb and say the only upset (by Vegas) will be Pitt all year. Yes, I think we'll shoot our whad on the Pitt game.

If they employ that cloud and squat zone shit to hide their lack of talent this year PM will burn them. He isn't Alex, he isn't afraid to make them pay, and my guess is we'll be down early and it'll be a track meet...

UChieffyBugger · 08-27-2018, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by New World Order

On paper it's not bad

But we've sure looked bad.

I'm glad someone is finally able to be objective instead of the tired "it's bad" comments with no reasoning behind it. On paper it is good imo, and we haven't seen them on the pitch together yet so we don't even know how good they can be.

Three7s · 08-27-2018, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger

Didn't Nelson play on the outside when we totally shut down the Raiders for near enough three-quarters last season? And it's all very well picking on the secondary, but what about the front seven? You've said nothing about that. I also don't think the 2003 team had as much talent as this defense does.

I'm not worried about the front seven, but it won't matter when Amerson gets roasted within 2 seconds.

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