Shawn Barber=Big disappointment

bricks · 10-08-2004, 09:06 AM

Seriously, I mean wtf is up with this guy? I watched the last MNF game against the Ravens, the first run by Jamal Lewis, pitch for an 18 yard gain, he got faked out badly. then on one of the Ravens drives, it was a 3rd down and 21 situation, one of the Ravens receivers ran a curl pattern, caught it and ran right after the catch, Barber had an attempt to make the tackle, and with little to no effort, made a slight push to force the runner out of bounds. Sure enough, McCleon had to come in and make the saving tackle to prevent a first down.

Lets also go back and mention the Denver game. Griffin's 47-yard run, guess who's fault that was? Barber. Out of position to make a play, got faked out again trying to cover a screen pass. Deshawn Foster's run, same result Barber just being out of place to make a play. If this guy keeps screwing up, should he ride the bench? What do you guys think? I mean, I know he's screwing up, but, he seems like he is not even trying at all. Barber stinks right now, and bad!

jspchief · 10-08-2004, 09:12 AM

We can't bench him, because we have no one better to fill the spot.

But I agree completely. Beisel is the only player that overpursues more often, and he has the excuse of inexperience. Barber's tackling has been a joke since he's been here. I can remember him bouncing off of Gannon (or maybe Tui) against the Raiders last year. He rarely wraps up when he tackles.

Do we have contact in our practices? For some reason I thought that I heard that DV doesn't allow contact, or no hard tackling or something. If this is true, it's a travesty, considering our poor tackling skills.

Frosty · 10-08-2004, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

I can remember him bouncing off of Gannon (or maybe Tui) against the Raiders last year.

It was Barber's sack that knocked Gannon out for the season.

jiveturkey · 10-08-2004, 09:16 AM

If you bench him who will you play?

I agree that he has been a weakness but Fox probably isn't ready since he's been one of the draft picks that has been hurt most the year.

NaptownChief · 10-08-2004, 09:16 AM

Now that he is a big dollar FA Chief signing he wants to play like one....

When was the last time the Chiefs signed a FA that was fairly big dollars for their position that played really well?

Holmes certainly has played well but he probably falls more into a middle tier signing dollar-wise for his position.

I'm currently running the bigger name FA signings through my head from Big Fat Chet, Clemons, Morton, Perriman, Crockett, Barber etc.etc and damn near everyone of them I can think of has been pretty poor.

Only guys I can think of that have met or exceed expectations in the CP era is Holmes, Hasty and McCleon. McCleon doesn't belong on the same list as Holmes and Hasty but I think it is fair to say he has at least played upto expectations.

Anyone think of any other good ones?

shakesthecat · 10-08-2004, 09:18 AM

I remember being pretty geeked when Barber signed. Other than knocking out Gannon last year, he hasn't done squat.

I realize Fox has been hurt, but hopefully now that's he back, he can get some PT and be ready to take over next year.

jspchief · 10-08-2004, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by arc

It was Barber's sack that knocked Gannon out for the season.

Then maybe it was Tui in the second game. All I know is he had an open field tackle where a Raider QB made him look like a fool.

I don't care if he assasinated Rich Gannon, it still doesn't change the fact that he's a sh*tty tackler.

bricks · 10-08-2004, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by jiveturkey

If you bench him who will you play?

I agree that he has been a weakness but Fox probably isn't ready since he's been one of the draft picks that has been hurt most the year.

Good point. I think we can bench him, and play someone else. How bout kawika Mitchell? Honestly, I don't think he can be much worse than Barber.
I only like Barber for his coverage abilities. That is pretty much all he can do is cover. Nothing more than a coverage LB, that's all he is. Or, Ithink we can take the trade route, Carl has got to get on his phone and trade for a LB with attitude. One that can at least make tackles and be in position to stop the run.
The trade deadline isn't over yet, is it?

jspchief · 10-08-2004, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by bricks

How bout kawika Mitchell? Honestly, I don't think he can be much worse than Barber.

Um, He is.

HC_Chief · 10-08-2004, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by NaptownChief

Anyone think of any other good ones?

Trent Green

jcroft · 10-08-2004, 09:27 AM

Barber has certainly been a dissapointment. I really expected he'd be good here. Still, he's got to start -- we don't have anyone better.

jcroft · 10-08-2004, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by HC_Chief

Trent Green

Trent wasn't a FA...we tranded for him.

jspchief · 10-08-2004, 09:28 AM

Tranded?

HC_Chief · 10-08-2004, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by jcroft

Trent wasn't a FA...we tranded for him.

RFA

bricks · 10-08-2004, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by jcroft

Barber has certainly been a dissapointment. I really expected he'd be good here. Still, he's got to start -- we don't have anyone better.

Well, then if that's the case, I don't know what it will take for this guy to step up and perform. Maybe a couple of bitch slaps from Gunther

10-08-2004, 09:06 AM
bricks Hey Teacher! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: land of maple syrup Casino cash: $9732559	Shawn Barber=Big disappointment Seriously, I mean wtf is up with this guy? I watched the last MNF game against the Ravens, the first run by Jamal Lewis, pitch for an 18 yard gain, he got faked out badly. then on one of the Ravens drives, it was a 3rd down and 21 situation, one of the Ravens receivers ran a curl pattern, caught it and ran right after the catch, Barber had an attempt to make the tackle, and with little to no effort, made a slight push to force the runner out of bounds. Sure enough, McCleon had to come in and make the saving tackle to prevent a first down. Lets also go back and mention the Denver game. Griffin's 47-yard run, guess who's fault that was? Barber. Out of position to make a play, got faked out again trying to cover a screen pass. Deshawn Foster's run, same result Barber just being out of place to make a play. If this guy keeps screwing up, should he ride the bench? What do you guys think? I mean, I know he's screwing up, but, he seems like he is not even trying at all. Barber stinks right now, and bad!
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10-08-2004, 09:12 AM	#2
jspchief BAMF Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Your Face Casino cash: $9998710	We can't bench him, because we have no one better to fill the spot. But I agree completely. Beisel is the only player that overpursues more often, and he has the excuse of inexperience. Barber's tackling has been a joke since he's been here. I can remember him bouncing off of Gannon (or maybe Tui) against the Raiders last year. He rarely wraps up when he tackles. Do we have contact in our practices? For some reason I thought that I heard that DV doesn't allow contact, or no hard tackling or something. If this is true, it's a travesty, considering our poor tackling skills. __________________ Courage is not the absence of fear but rather the judgment that something is more important than fear. The brave may not live forever but the cautious do not live at all.
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10-08-2004, 09:16 AM	#4
jiveturkey Captain Kick Ass Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Kansas Casino cash: $9305197	If you bench him who will you play? I agree that he has been a weakness but Fox probably isn't ready since he's been one of the draft picks that has been hurt most the year.
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10-08-2004, 09:16 AM	#5
NaptownChief Football Pimp Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Indianapolis,IN Casino cash: $9974900	Now that he is a big dollar FA Chief signing he wants to play like one.... When was the last time the Chiefs signed a FA that was fairly big dollars for their position that played really well? Holmes certainly has played well but he probably falls more into a middle tier signing dollar-wise for his position. I'm currently running the bigger name FA signings through my head from Big Fat Chet, Clemons, Morton, Perriman, Crockett, Barber etc.etc and damn near everyone of them I can think of has been pretty poor. Only guys I can think of that have met or exceed expectations in the CP era is Holmes, Hasty and McCleon. McCleon doesn't belong on the same list as Holmes and Hasty but I think it is fair to say he has at least played upto expectations. Anyone think of any other good ones? __________________ "We weren't worth a damn," the Kansas City Chiefs head coach said, shaking his head. "I'm not worth a damn. No one's worth a damn..." Former President of the Eric Downing Fan Club and Current President of the Kris"Secret Weapon"Wilson Fan Club
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10-08-2004, 09:18 AM	#6
shakesthecat Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: IA Casino cash: $1903833	I remember being pretty geeked when Barber signed. Other than knocking out Gannon last year, he hasn't done squat. I realize Fox has been hurt, but hopefully now that's he back, he can get some PT and be ready to take over next year.
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jcroft Thread-Stopper Extrodinaire Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Casino cash: $10004900	Barber has certainly been a dissapointment. I really expected he'd be good here. Still, he's got to start -- we don't have anyone better. __________________ Jeff Croft jeffcroft.com
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