Buying and Selling Homes - Offer/CounterOffer.... Offer?

SLAG · 07-07-2006, 08:34 PM

I am In the process of buying my first home.

we think we have found a home, we have put in an offer on the home and the seller has come back with a counter offer... the initial offer we gave was 8k below what she was asking.... she then counter offered for 4k less then asking price..

We want to give another offer of 6k below asking price, and hope she goes for that or 5k below.... either way..

does this sound feasible, how many times should this go back and forth...

any help and info is greatly appreciated....

Vegas_Dave · 07-07-2006, 08:35 PM

Nope. You either take their counter or you dont get it typically. If your local housing market is hot, then you are lucky to get a counter. If the home has been on the market for 2-3 months, then you MIGHT be able to counter.

memyselfI · 07-07-2006, 08:37 PM

Depends on how long the house has been on the market and how hot the location is.

If there are other offers your 1-2k savings will look like a waste of money when you lose the house you want and spend another 6 months trying to find another. Time is money. When you are that close don't let the whole process get in the way of your long term happiness.

SLAG · 07-07-2006, 08:38 PM

the house has been on the market for 30 days with no offers

memyselfI · 07-07-2006, 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vegas_Dave

Nope. You either take their counter or you dont get it typically. If your local housing market is hot, then you are lucky to get a counter. If the home has been on the market for 2-3 months, then you MIGHT be able to counter.

Exactly. When we bought our home we made an offer and the owner countered. The house had been on the market less than a week. We took it even though it was a 2k more than we wanted to pay. And it was good thing we did because there were two other buyers waiting for us to blink.

SLAG · 07-07-2006, 08:39 PM

btw the market is Johnson County..

66061

memyselfI · 07-07-2006, 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SLAG02

btw the market is Johnson County..

66061

Johnson County is a hot market that is cooling with the rest of the housing industry. It's still hot but properties are on the market longer than the previous years. It really depends on how attached you are to the house and how long you want to play the game.

SCTrojan · 07-07-2006, 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vegas_Dave

Nope. You either take their counter or you dont get it typically. If your local housing market is hot, then you are lucky to get a counter. If the home has been on the market for 2-3 months, then you MIGHT be able to counter.

I've only bought two houses, but I'd have to agree with this assessment. In my limited experience, if they counter, there may be some room for maneuvering. You might also try to get your closing costs paid for. If you've got a real estate agent, they can give you some insight, but remember the bottom line for them is making a sale.

memyselfI · 07-07-2006, 08:45 PM

Do you happen to know how much the property is valued as far as the county goes? If she's way over what the JOCO appraisers office has valued then you might hold off knowing that she's fully aware she's way overpriced her property.

Also, your real estate agent should be able to give you a break down of what properties in the area have sold for and how long they were on the market. This is a good gauge of how hot the area is and if you have time to sit or not.

SLAG · 07-07-2006, 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by memyselfI

Do you happen to know how much the property is valued as far as the county goes? If she's way over what the JOCO appraisers office has valued then you might hold off knowing that she's fully aware she's way overpriced her property.

Also, your real estate agent should be able to give you a break down of what properties in the area have sold for and how long they were on the market. This is a good gauge of how hot the area is and if you have time to sit or not.

Code:

Description:   	 Single Family Res.
  	Value:  	 $125,600
  	Square Feet:  	 1,126 sq. ft.
  	Year Built:  	 1961
  	  	  	
  	Taxes & Values
  	Year 	Appraised Value 	Assessed Value 	Change In Appraised Value
  	2006 	$125,600 		1.45%
  	2005 	$123,800 	$14,237 	 
  	  	  	  	 
	Residential Record: 01
	  	  	  	 
	Lot Information
	Lot 	Square Feet
	1 	10,584 sq. ft.
	2 	0 sq. ft.
	3 	0 sq. ft.
	  	  	  	 
	Main Dwelling Information
	Land Use:  	 Single Family Res. 	# Bedrooms:  	 3
	Style:  	 Split Level 	# Family Rooms:  	 0
	Story Height:   	 1 	Total Rooms:  	 6
	Upper Floor:  	 No 	# Full Baths:  	 1
	Roof Material:  	 Asphalt Shingle 	# Half Baths:  	 0
	Exterior Walls:  	 Wood Frame 	Total Plumbing Fix:  	 5
	Foundation:  	 Concrete 	Recreation Rm:  	 0
	Basement Type:  	 Part 	Finished Basmt:  	 0
	Heat/Cool Sys:  	 Central/A.C. 	Total SFLA:  	 1,126 sq. ft.
	  	  	Note: SFLA = square feet of living area above ground.

Had not looked it up til now... her asking price was 143k

memyselfI · 07-07-2006, 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SLAG02

Code:

Description:   	 Single Family Res.
  	Value:  	 $125,600
  	Square Feet:  	 1,126 sq. ft.
  	Year Built:  	 1961
  	  	  	
  	Taxes & Values
  	Year 	Appraised Value 	Assessed Value 	Change In Appraised Value
  	2006 	$125,600 		1.45%
  	2005 	$123,800 	$14,237 	 
  	  	  	  	 
	Residential Record: 01
	  	  	  	 
	Lot Information
	Lot 	Square Feet
	1 	10,584 sq. ft.
	2 	0 sq. ft.
	3 	0 sq. ft.
	  	  	  	 
	Main Dwelling Information
	Land Use:  	 Single Family Res. 	# Bedrooms:  	 3
	Style:  	 Split Level 	# Family Rooms:  	 0
	Story Height:   	 1 	Total Rooms:  	 6
	Upper Floor:  	 No 	# Full Baths:  	 1
	Roof Material:  	 Asphalt Shingle 	# Half Baths:  	 0
	Exterior Walls:  	 Wood Frame 	Total Plumbing Fix:  	 5
	Foundation:  	 Concrete 	Recreation Rm:  	 0
	Basement Type:  	 Part 	Finished Basmt:  	 0
	Heat/Cool Sys:  	 Central/A.C. 	Total SFLA:  	 1,126 sq. ft.
	  	  	Note: SFLA = square feet of living area above ground.

Had not looked it up til now... her asking price was 143k

Well, she's asking almost 20k more than the county has valued it and it's appraised value rose only 1.45% in 2005. It sounds like maybe she's asking a bit too much.

You should probably check the nearby addresses to see how much they're appraised value increased. It's been my experience that the county is usually pretty close in their valuations. The way to check that would be to compare what the rest of the neighborhood is valued at.

Have you had the property independently appraised yet?

**Bugeater** · 07-07-2006, 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SLAG02

Code:

Description:   	 Single Family Res.
  	Value:  	 $125,600
  	Square Feet:  	 1,126 sq. ft.
  	Year Built:  	 1961
  	  	  	
  	Taxes & Values
  	Year 	Appraised Value 	Assessed Value 	Change In Appraised Value
  	2006 	$125,600 		1.45%
  	2005 	$123,800 	$14,237 	 
  	  	  	  	 
	Residential Record: 01
	  	  	  	 
	Lot Information
	Lot 	Square Feet
	1 	10,584 sq. ft.
	2 	0 sq. ft.
	3 	0 sq. ft.
	  	  	  	 
	Main Dwelling Information
	Land Use:  	 Single Family Res. 	# Bedrooms:  	 3
	Style:  	 Split Level 	# Family Rooms:  	 0
	Story Height:   	 1 	Total Rooms:  	 6
	Upper Floor:  	 No 	# Full Baths:  	 1
	Roof Material:  	 Asphalt Shingle 	# Half Baths:  	 0
	Exterior Walls:  	 Wood Frame 	Total Plumbing Fix:  	 5
	Foundation:  	 Concrete 	Recreation Rm:  	 0
	Basement Type:  	 Part 	Finished Basmt:  	 0
	Heat/Cool Sys:  	 Central/A.C. 	Total SFLA:  	 1,126 sq. ft.
	  	  	Note: SFLA = square feet of living area above ground.

Had not looked it up til now... her asking price was 143k

I'm not sure that's a good indicator of how much the house is worth. My house is assessed at $116K, $3000 less than we paid for it in 1999. Of course I'm in a different county in a different state....

**Rain Man** · 07-07-2006, 08:57 PM

As a warning, the assessed prices are often inaccurate by several percent, and if it's undervalued people tend to not appeal it. While it's useful to look up the assessed value, I think it's appropriate to use your judgment based on other homes you're seeing for sale.

However, in a situation like this, it's a good negotiating tool to mention that the assessment is much lower than the asking price.

SLAG · 07-07-2006, 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by memyselfI

Well, she's asking almost 20k more than the county has valued it and it's appraised value rose only 1.45% in 2005. It sounds like maybe she's asking a bit too much.

You should probably check the nearby addresses to see how much they're appraised value increased. It's been my experience that the county is usually pretty close in their valuations. The way to check that would be to compare what the rest of the neighborhood is valued at.

sorry I looked up the wrong house..

I looked up the one across the street... that is also for sale that we did not like

Code:

escription:   	 Single Family Res.
  	Value:  	 $135,900
  	Square Feet:  	 1,079 sq. ft.
  	Year Built:  	 1963
  	  	  	
  	Taxes & Values
  	Year 	Appraised Value 	Assessed Value 	Change In Appraised Value
  	2006 	$135,900 		0%
  	2005 	$135,900 	$15,628 	 
  	  	  	  	 
	Residential Record: 01
	  	  	  	 
	Lot Information
	Lot 	Square Feet
	1 	11,515 sq. ft.
	2 	0 sq. ft.
	3 	0 sq. ft.
	  	  	  	 
	Main Dwelling Information
	Land Use:  	 Single Family Res. 	# Bedrooms:  	 3
	Style:  	 Split Level 	# Family Rooms:  	 0
	Story Height:   	 1 	Total Rooms:  	 5
	Upper Floor:  	 No 	# Full Baths:  	 2
	Roof Material:  	 Asphalt Shingle 	# Half Baths:  	 0
	Exterior Walls:  	 Wood Frame 	Total Plumbing Fix:  	 8
	Foundation:  	 Concrete 	Recreation Rm:  	 0
	Basement Type:  	 Full 	Finished Basmt:  	 0
	Heat/Cool Sys:  	 Central/A.C. 	Total SFLA:  	 1,079 sq. ft.
	  	  	Note: SFLA = square feet of living area above ground.

My Inital offer was 135k

memyselfI · 07-07-2006, 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man

As a warning, the assessed prices are often inaccurate by several percent, and if it's undervalued people tend to not appeal it. While it's useful to look up the assessed value, I think it's appropriate to use your judgment based on other homes you're seeing for sale.

However, in a situation like this, it's a good negotiating tool to mention that the assessment is much lower than the asking price.

Exactly, it's not the measure of what the house should be worth but A measure. Our independent appraisal ended up being very close to what the country appraised on this property.

07-07-2006, 08:34 PM
SLAG Superbowl MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: OOOOOOOOOOOOOLATHE Casino cash: $9910252	Buying and Selling Homes - Offer/CounterOffer.... Offer? I am In the process of buying my first home. we think we have found a home, we have put in an offer on the home and the seller has come back with a counter offer... the initial offer we gave was 8k below what she was asking.... she then counter offered for 4k less then asking price.. We want to give another offer of 6k below asking price, and hope she goes for that or 5k below.... either way.. does this sound feasible, how many times should this go back and forth... any help and info is greatly appreciated....
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07-07-2006, 08:35 PM	#2
Vegas_Dave Veteran Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Las Vegas, NV Casino cash: $-1535280	Nope. You either take their counter or you dont get it typically. If your local housing market is hot, then you are lucky to get a counter. If the home has been on the market for 2-3 months, then you MIGHT be able to counter. __________________ Lastly, Redrum_69:
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07-07-2006, 08:37 PM	#3
memyselfI CHANGEd your mind yet???? Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Lunatics Anonymous Casino cash: $10005234	Depends on how long the house has been on the market and how hot the location is. If there are other offers your 1-2k savings will look like a waste of money when you lose the house you want and spend another 6 months trying to find another. Time is money. When you are that close don't let the whole process get in the way of your long term happiness. __________________ Meet the new boss same as the old boss. BigChiefDave:"Anyone who thought we would only be in Iraq for a few years is either stoned or just stoopid." "It is unknowable how long that conflict will last. It could last 6 days, 6 wks. I doubt 6 mths." Rummy 2/7/03
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07-07-2006, 08:39 PM	#6
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07-07-2006, 08:45 PM	#9
memyselfI CHANGEd your mind yet???? Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Lunatics Anonymous Casino cash: $10005234	Do you happen to know how much the property is valued as far as the county goes? If she's way over what the JOCO appraisers office has valued then you might hold off knowing that she's fully aware she's way overpriced her property. Also, your real estate agent should be able to give you a break down of what properties in the area have sold for and how long they were on the market. This is a good gauge of how hot the area is and if you have time to sit or not. __________________ Meet the new boss same as the old boss. BigChiefDave:"Anyone who thought we would only be in Iraq for a few years is either stoned or just stoopid." "It is unknowable how long that conflict will last. It could last 6 days, 6 wks. I doubt 6 mths." Rummy 2/7/03
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