Chief's next running back???

Gary · 02-17-2001, 03:57 PM

How about Michael Bennett from Wisconsin? He's got all the tools to fit into a Vermeil offense. NFLSCOOP.COM thinks that KC will draft a corner at # 12. I say that would leave too much inexperience at that position!

[Edited by Gary on 02-17-2001 at 04:13 PM]

**Tribal Warfare** · 02-17-2001, 05:14 PM

I agree, Kid has hands and is good person, this dormroom stuff is false

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Packfan · 02-17-2001, 05:20 PM

The Chiefs should draft Bennett. For starters, he should be available. Plus, he bring something the Chiefs cant teach: Speed. World Class speed. Something the Chiefs have never had at RB. This is a no brainer for the Chiefs. However, there are so many holes on this team. Carl will probably draft another offensive lineman.

keg in kc · 02-17-2001, 05:27 PM

I'm just not a big Bennett fan. Inexperience and complete inability to block are big negatives for me. And while I realize he played some receiver while Dayne was starting, there are just too many reports out there talking about how poorly he looked catching the ball in 2001 to discount his hands being a question mark. Leaving school early because he was afraid he wouldn't look quite as good in 2002 behind a weaker O-line doesn't impress me either. Absolutely nothing about Bennett stands out with the exception of his speed.

That said, I don't know that there's a better back in this crop, with the exception of McAlister. There's a lot of backs - Bennett, Tomlinson, Henry, Jackson, Johnson and Thomas - who, in my opinion, are all about equal in terms of what I think their future holds. They could all do well, or they could all be forgotten two years from now. Nobody really screams out to me at this point.

Only 5 days to the combines though, so who knows what I'll think a week from now...

**Bob Dole** · 02-18-2001, 09:22 AM

Not to pick nits, Ken...

While it's been nearly 20 years, one could argue that the Chiefs <b>have</b> had "world class speed" at RB. If memory serves, Delaney was the second leg of the NSU 4x100 relay team that won the Division I national championship in 1981.

oleman47 · 02-18-2001, 09:47 AM

Bennett could return kicks, and if he can learn to catch and hold on while being creamed, could be very useful to the team as spot rb, backup 3rd wr, and kick returner. We could fill in a few slots we need in one guy. Next year we could draft an all purpose back to replace T-rich when he retires and as Bennett matures he would be not only spot but good backup to the single back.

This one solution to the cap slaughter. Advances the rebuilding and creates slots for development of other needed positions.

02-19-2001, 09:32 AM

The idea that Bennett looked "bad" catching is false. He caught 5 balls, and only received 8 ATTEMPTS. There's no way he could be evaluated on that. Wait until the combines and we'll see. Of course, if he has hands, he'll be long gone by #12.

Oleman:

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Bennett could return kicks, and if he can learn to catch and hold on while being creamed, could be very useful to the team as spot rb, backup 3rd wr, and kick returner. We could fill in a few slots we need in one guy. Next year we could draft an all purpose back to replace T-rich when he retires and as Bennett matures he would be not only spot but good backup to the single back.
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Is that sarcasm or what? If we draft Bennett, he will be the every-down back, replacing TRich THIS YEAR, not when he "retires"...

keg in kc · 02-19-2001, 09:57 AM

[quote]The idea that Bennett looked "bad" catching is false[/quote]

From Boomer's analysis of Bennett: "... Doesn't seem to have great instincts, and only average vision. Has exceptional speed, but does not show great lateral quickness. Needs to develop his receiving skills. [i]The Wisconsin offense does not call for a lot of passes to the backs, but in when he did have the opportunity to catch the ball - he didn't show natural ball skills[/i].... Of course, this could simply be a matter of concentration - and is a skill that can improve with time.... Needs to develop his pass blocking, as well. Seems lost when the unexpected blitz comes - and does not show good fundamental form as a blocker..." ([url]http://www.users.qwest.net/~robandoreen/2001profiles.html#2001profiles[/url])

That's just one of the dozens of different opinions on Bennett's hands, ranging from "soft" to pretty bad. I'd call that a legitimate question mark, one that will doubtless be addressed during the combines/individual workouts.

Just as my own opinion, I don't think it's very likely we'll be taking him at #12. We may not think much of his "incident" but it did give him a shadow of off-the-field problems that he did not have before, and since there were questions about his skills even before that I think it will cost him at least 8-10 spots in the draft, falling to the 15-20 range, and maybe even into the second round (I'm not making a judgement on the situation, by the way, I'm just predicting what I expect to happen based on draft history). I think the two most likely picks at this point are Deuce McAlister (I think we might actually trade up if he slips out of the top 5) and, if he's gone, Santana Moss. Hutchinson remains an outside possibility, as well.

02-19-2001, 10:13 AM

keg,

I don't think Bennett will be a Chief, solely because of the recent legal issues...just another of many question marks.

My big beef with all the critiques of Bennett is that we just don't know. The guys on this board that are condemning Bennett for a "lack of hands" are the same ones that are saying that we shouldn't draft him because Cloud and Moreau haven't been given "enough touches to know" whether they can or not...Which is it? They suck, or we don't have enough data? I firmly believe in applying the criteria equally across the board.

I also don't necessarily buy Boomer's analysis, or anyone else's, based on the number of times they may or may not have seen him. He simply didn't get the opportunity to prove it or not. I stand by my statement - come the combines, we'll know for sure.

That being said, I'm not a big Bennett supporter right now. The legal issues for me put to many marks in the question column for right now.

The guy that nobody has been talking about lately is Tomlinson. He certainly fits the bill of what DV is talking about...

[Edited by htismaqe on 02-19-2001 at 10:22 AM]

keg in kc · 02-19-2001, 10:33 AM

I agree Parker, that's why I'm careful to add the disclaimer about waiting for the combines. When I say his hands are a question mark, it means just that, I don't know...

As I said and described before, I'm not a big Bennett fan, and it's not just because of his hands. I'm wary of giving a first round pick to any player with only one year as a starter. Too many questions about durability as well as vision, reading the defense, pass blocking, etc. etc. As I like to say, Bennett is the equivalent of a redshirt sophomore entering the draft right now.

You can call me Kyle if you want - 'keg' is just my initials. ;)

oleman47 · 02-19-2001, 11:51 AM

Hti

No way Bennett will beat out TR as a rookie. TR will be there to protect Grbac and Bennett as rookie will not have the skills. Bennett is a project.

Cannibal · 02-19-2001, 12:08 PM

Actually we have had great speed in the backfield, it was Gregg Hill.

Hill had 4.3 speed, but couldn't find a hole to save his life. He was also too small and went down at first contact.

Bennett will be the same way IMO.

NaptownChief · 02-19-2001, 12:18 PM

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by oleman47 [/i]
[B]Hti

No way Bennett will beat out TR as a rookie. TR will be there to protect Grbac and Bennett as rookie will not have the skills. Bennett is a project. [/B][/QUOTE]

Oleman,

I agree with you that he won't be the best man for the job as a rookie, but I still bet he would be the starter...RB's aren't like QB's, teams want to get their money out of them right away...When was the last time a RB has been drafted in the top half of the 1st round and was not the starter with in the first couple games of the season? I can't think of any in recent memory...By week 4 he would be thrown into the fire whether he is ready or not.

Clint in Wichita · 02-19-2001, 12:24 PM

Any running back that can't EASILY beat out TRich for the starting HB job in his rookie season is not worth a 1st round pick.

oleman47 · 02-19-2001, 12:28 PM

80

I said in my previous, previous post that he could be the punt returner, back up 3dr wr, the 4th wr in the shotgun and the 2nd rb. He will not be the single back in a single back formation which is about 60%+ of the time. And there is no regulation that says he must start, if this is true then he will not be drafted for he has much to learn.

02-17-2001, 05:20 PM	#3
Packfan Starter Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Green Bay, WI, Door Casino cash: $10004900	The Chiefs should draft Bennett. For starters, he should be available. Plus, he bring something the Chiefs cant teach: Speed. World Class speed. Something the Chiefs have never had at RB. This is a no brainer for the Chiefs. However, there are so many holes on this team. Carl will probably draft another offensive lineman. __________________ Ken Dienberg
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02-17-2001, 05:27 PM	#4
keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	I'm just not a big Bennett fan. Inexperience and complete inability to block are big negatives for me. And while I realize he played some receiver while Dayne was starting, there are just too many reports out there talking about how poorly he looked catching the ball in 2001 to discount his hands being a question mark. Leaving school early because he was afraid he wouldn't look quite as good in 2002 behind a weaker O-line doesn't impress me either. Absolutely nothing about Bennett stands out with the exception of his speed. That said, I don't know that there's a better back in this crop, with the exception of McAlister. There's a lot of backs - Bennett, Tomlinson, Henry, Jackson, Johnson and Thomas - who, in my opinion, are all about equal in terms of what I think their future holds. They could all do well, or they could all be forgotten two years from now. Nobody really screams out to me at this point. Only 5 days to the combines though, so who knows what I'll think a week from now...
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02-18-2001, 09:22 AM	#5
Bob Dole King Shit of **** Mountain Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Texarkana, Texas Casino cash: $-1164563	Not to pick nits, Ken... While it's been nearly 20 years, one could argue that the Chiefs <b>have</b> had "world class speed" at RB. If memory serves, Delaney was the second leg of the NSU 4x100 relay team that won the Division I national championship in 1981.
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02-18-2001, 09:47 AM	#6
oleman47 Starter Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Wichita Casino cash: $10004900	Bennett could return kicks, and if he can learn to catch and hold on while being creamed, could be very useful to the team as spot rb, backup 3rd wr, and kick returner. We could fill in a few slots we need in one guy. Next year we could draft an all purpose back to replace T-rich when he retires and as Bennett matures he would be not only spot but good backup to the single back. This one solution to the cap slaughter. Advances the rebuilding and creates slots for development of other needed positions.
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02-19-2001, 09:32 AM	#7
htismaqe Guest Casino cash: $	The idea that Bennett looked "bad" catching is false. He caught 5 balls, and only received 8 ATTEMPTS. There's no way he could be evaluated on that. Wait until the combines and we'll see. Of course, if he has hands, he'll be long gone by #12. Oleman: [quote] Bennett could return kicks, and if he can learn to catch and hold on while being creamed, could be very useful to the team as spot rb, backup 3rd wr, and kick returner. We could fill in a few slots we need in one guy. Next year we could draft an all purpose back to replace T-rich when he retires and as Bennett matures he would be not only spot but good backup to the single back. [/quote] Is that sarcasm or what? If we draft Bennett, he will be the every-down back, replacing TRich THIS YEAR, not when he "retires"...
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02-17-2001, 03:57 PM
Gary The Shepherd Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Sunny Florida Casino cash: $9955472	How about Michael Bennett from Wisconsin? He's got all the tools to fit into a Vermeil offense. NFLSCOOP.COM thinks that KC will draft a corner at # 12. I say that would leave too much inexperience at that position! [Edited by Gary on 02-17-2001 at 04:13 PM]
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02-17-2001, 05:14 PM	#2
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02-19-2001, 09:57 AM	#8
keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	[quote]The idea that Bennett looked "bad" catching is false[/quote] From Boomer's analysis of Bennett: "... Doesn't seem to have great instincts, and only average vision. Has exceptional speed, but does not show great lateral quickness. Needs to develop his receiving skills. [i]The Wisconsin offense does not call for a lot of passes to the backs, but in when he did have the opportunity to catch the ball - he didn't show natural ball skills[/i].... Of course, this could simply be a matter of concentration - and is a skill that can improve with time.... Needs to develop his pass blocking, as well. Seems lost when the unexpected blitz comes - and does not show good fundamental form as a blocker..." ([url]http://www.users.qwest.net/~robandoreen/2001profiles.html#2001profiles[/url]) That's just one of the dozens of different opinions on Bennett's hands, ranging from "soft" to pretty bad. I'd call that a legitimate question mark, one that will doubtless be addressed during the combines/individual workouts. Just as my own opinion, I don't think it's very likely we'll be taking him at #12. We may not think much of his "incident" but it did give him a shadow of off-the-field problems that he did not have before, and since there were questions about his skills even before that I think it will cost him at least 8-10 spots in the draft, falling to the 15-20 range, and maybe even into the second round (I'm not making a judgement on the situation, by the way, I'm just predicting what I expect to happen based on draft history). I think the two most likely picks at this point are Deuce McAlister (I think we might actually trade up if he slips out of the top 5) and, if he's gone, Santana Moss. Hutchinson remains an outside possibility, as well.
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02-19-2001, 10:13 AM	#9
htismaqe Guest Casino cash: $	keg, I don't think Bennett will be a Chief, solely because of the recent legal issues...just another of many question marks. My big beef with all the critiques of Bennett is that we just don't know. The guys on this board that are condemning Bennett for a "lack of hands" are the same ones that are saying that we shouldn't draft him because Cloud and Moreau haven't been given "enough touches to know" whether they can or not...Which is it? They suck, or we don't have enough data? I firmly believe in applying the criteria equally across the board. I also don't necessarily buy Boomer's analysis, or anyone else's, based on the number of times they may or may not have seen him. He simply didn't get the opportunity to prove it or not. I stand by my statement - come the combines, we'll know for sure. That being said, I'm not a big Bennett supporter right now. The legal issues for me put to many marks in the question column for right now. The guy that nobody has been talking about lately is Tomlinson. He certainly fits the bill of what DV is talking about... [Edited by htismaqe on 02-19-2001 at 10:22 AM]
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02-19-2001, 10:33 AM	#10
keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	I agree Parker, that's why I'm careful to add the disclaimer about waiting for the combines. When I say his hands are a question mark, it means just that, I don't know... As I said and described before, I'm not a big Bennett fan, and it's not just because of his hands. I'm wary of giving a first round pick to any player with only one year as a starter. Too many questions about durability as well as vision, reading the defense, pass blocking, etc. etc. As I like to say, Bennett is the equivalent of a redshirt sophomore entering the draft right now. You can call me Kyle if you want - 'keg' is just my initials. ;)
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02-19-2001, 11:51 AM	#11
oleman47 Starter Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Wichita Casino cash: $10004900	Hti No way Bennett will beat out TR as a rookie. TR will be there to protect Grbac and Bennett as rookie will not have the skills. Bennett is a project.
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02-19-2001, 12:08 PM	#12
Cannibal Better to burn out... Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Bible Thumping Country Casino cash: $10010618	Actually we have had great speed in the backfield, it was Gregg Hill. Hill had 4.3 speed, but couldn't find a hole to save his life. He was also too small and went down at first contact. Bennett will be the same way IMO.
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02-19-2001, 12:18 PM	#13
NaptownChief Football Pimp Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Indianapolis,IN Casino cash: $9974900	[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by oleman47 [/i] [B]Hti No way Bennett will beat out TR as a rookie. TR will be there to protect Grbac and Bennett as rookie will not have the skills. Bennett is a project. [/B][/QUOTE] Oleman, I agree with you that he won't be the best man for the job as a rookie, but I still bet he would be the starter...RB's aren't like QB's, teams want to get their money out of them right away...When was the last time a RB has been drafted in the top half of the 1st round and was not the starter with in the first couple games of the season? I can't think of any in recent memory...By week 4 he would be thrown into the fire whether he is ready or not. __________________ "We weren't worth a damn," the Kansas City Chiefs head coach said, shaking his head. "I'm not worth a damn. No one's worth a damn..." Former President of the Eric Downing Fan Club and Current President of the Kris"Secret Weapon"Wilson Fan Club
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02-19-2001, 12:24 PM	#14
Clint in Wichita Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	Any running back that can't EASILY beat out TRich for the starting HB job in his rookie season is not worth a 1st round pick.
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02-19-2001, 12:28 PM	#15
oleman47 Starter Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Wichita Casino cash: $10004900	80 I said in my previous, previous post that he could be the punt returner, back up 3dr wr, the 4th wr in the shotgun and the 2nd rb. He will not be the single back in a single back formation which is about 60%+ of the time. And there is no regulation that says he must start, if this is true then he will not be drafted for he has much to learn.
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