Chiefs Get of Mark Castle's back!

**pr_capone** · 11-10-2009, 01:08 AM

First and foremost... I am no Cassel apologist but I am tired of reading posts just bashing Matt left and right.

Here are the numbers. And before I get started... **** all this "garbage time" bullshit. EVERY QB in the league has garbage time stats so let's not get too wrapped up in that. It's not like teams have replaced all their starters with 2nd and 3rd stringers at the end of games on us.

This is a statistical comparison of current QB's 2nd season as full time starters. Cassel, Ryan, & Flacco's stats are projected numbers of 16 games played in a season.

Pay special attention to the TD, INT, and Sack numbers.

Completions
Cassel - 286
Ryan - 312
Flacco - 366
Brady - 373
McNabb - 285
Rivers - 277

Attempts
Cassel - 514
Ryan - 514
Flacco - 564
Brady - 601
McNabb - 493
Rivers - 460

Completion Percentage
Cassel - 55.6
Ryan - 60.9
Flacco - 64.9
Brady - 62.1
McNabb - 57.8
Rivers - 60.2

Yards
Cassel - 2871
Ryan - 3568
Flacco - 4088
Brady - 3764
McNabb - 3233
Rivers - 3152

TDs
Cassel - 23
Ryan - 26
Flacco - 24
Brady - 23
McNabb - 25
Rivers - 21

INTs
Cassel - 11
Ryan - 20
Flacco - 14
Brady - 14
McNabb - 12
Rivers - 15

Sacks
Cassel - 62
Ryan - 24
Flacco - 32
Brady - 31
McNabb - 39
Rivers - 22

What I get out of the stats.

While Cassel could certainly stand to improve his completion percentage and total yardage, he is doing a damn fine job of producing in this ****tarded offense. His completion and total yardage stats have been killed due to the fact that the man has zero time to set up and find an open receiver as shown by the sack numbers. I would love to know the number of times each QB was hurried and forced to run but if the sack numbers are any indication, Cassel would nearly double the amount of any of the QB's listed in this comparison. His mobility has likely saved him from another dozen or so sacks at the halfway mark.

People dog Cassel for being unable to throw the deep ball. Hopefully that argument was squelched a bit after the long pass to Chambers today whom he hit in stride for a TD. It is amazing what a competent QB can do when he has a bit of time and a receiver with reliable hands & a touch of speed.

Lastly, and probably of most importance for a team like the Chiefs who are in transition on both sides of the ball, Cassel takes care of the damn ball while still throwing TD's. Cassel is on pace to throw fewer interceptions than any of the QB's listed in the comparison despite his o-line's inability to keep him on his feet. In fact, he has thrown interceptions in only 2 of his 7 games played so far this season. Oh yeah... and though he has been sacked more than any of the QB's listed he has yet to lose a fumble.

I don't know what more you want from the guy.

It's not his fault 3/5 of his offensive line would not start on ANY other team in the NFL.

Its not his fault that his coach is calling a limp dick game offensively.

Its not his fault that his featured RB averaged a whopping 2.7 yards per carry with 0 TDs prior to his suspension and release.

Its not his fault his receivers can't get open.

Its not his fault he is having to pick himself up off the ground on half the passing plays.

I'm not claiming that this guy will be the next Manning, Brees, or Brady. I'm saying this guy COULD be a solid QB for seasons to come if he only had some protection.

I like to bitch about the team as much as the next feller but let's bitch about the players that deserved to be bitched about.

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POND_OF_RED · 11-10-2009, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by pr_capone

I don't know what more you want from the guy.

I for one would like to see him throw to the first down marker on 3rd down. Not sure if this is all on him or on the coaching but it just pisses me off to see a QB throw 10 yards short of the 1st down marker on 3rd down. Of course you're not going to throw many INT's when you are throwing check down passes well short of the marker.

KcFanInGA · 11-10-2009, 01:17 AM

'Hamas' Jenkins · 11-10-2009, 01:17 AM

You dumb sonofabitch, TD, Completion %, and INT #s will be inflated when 5 of your TDs are in garbage time and you always look to check down if the first option is covered.

Furthermore, those QBs aren't getting garbage time stats b/c they are winning most of their games and thus running the ball late.

Most importantly, he's 27, and you're comparing him to guys that are 23.

If you want a real look at a QB's ability, YPA is the most telling stat, and his is awful

He also came nowhere near hitting Chambers in stride you ****ing dipshit.

God, just kill yourself.

Hammock Parties · 11-10-2009, 01:19 AM

The drafturbators will break upon this thread like a tidal wave upon the rocks.

Hang on to something.

CH13FS · 11-10-2009, 01:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

You dumb sonofabitch, TD, Completion %, and INT #s will be inflated when 5 of your TDs are in garbage time and you always look to check down if the first option is covered.

Furthermore, those QBs aren't getting garbage time stats b/c they are winning most of their games and thus running the ball late.

Most importantly, he's 27, and you're comparing him to guys that are 23.

If you want a real look at a QB's ability, YPA is the most telling stat, and his is awful

He also came nowhere near hitting Chambers in stride you ****ing dipshit.

God, just kill yourself.

*slowclap

**BossChief** · 11-10-2009, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

You dumb sonofabitch, TD, Completion %, and INT #s will be inflated when 5 of your TDs are in garbage time and you always look to check down if the first option is covered.

Furthermore, those QBs aren't getting garbage time stats b/c they are winning most of their games and thus running the ball late.

Most importantly, he's 27, and you're comparing him to guys that are 23.

If you want a real look at a QB's ability, YPA is the most telling stat, and his is awful

He also came nowhere near hitting Chambers in stride you ****ing dipshit.

God, just kill yourself.

I knew this had to be coming!

I cant believe anyone would watch a single game and say some dumb shit like "I dont know what more you guys could want"

Its like Herm made some of the fans dumb too.

Mecca · 11-10-2009, 01:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief

I knew this had to be coming!

I cant believe anyone would watch a single game and say some dumb shit like "I dont know what more you guys could want"

Its like Herm made some of the fans dumb too.

When people desperately want the team to be going in the right direction it can be hard to look at a player for what he is.

If Cassel isn't good that just sets us back even further so it's easier to just say he's doing fine.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 11-10-2009, 01:26 AM

Sometimes on this board, I feel like John McClane talking to that dumbass police dispatcher in Die Hard.

Dispatcher: Sir, this channel is reserved for emergency calls only.
John: No ****ing shit lady, do I sound like I'm ordering a pizza?

Hammock Parties · 11-10-2009, 01:27 AM

If Cassel really throws 23 TDs against 11 INT this year, the drafturbators and the true fans are going to have a ****ing holy war in the offseason.

Hamas and OTWP might double their post counts.

Titty Meat · 11-10-2009, 01:27 AM

It's going to be funny how pissed they'll be when Pioli trades Bowe too

Mecca · 11-10-2009, 01:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoChiefs

If Cassel really throws 23 TDs against 11 INT this year, the drafturbators and the true fans are going to have a ****ing holy war in the offseason.

Hamas and OTWP might double their post counts.

You do realize he has inflated stats, you could pull people off this forum to complete a lot of the passes he completes.

62 sacks speaks to how he holds the ball to long, his completion % is balls for a guy who loves to checkoff. You expect 60% from a guy who is a downfield passer...

Cassel doesn't throw many picks because he's petrified to take chances, instead he takes sacks or throws a 2 yard pass on 3rd and long.

**pr_capone** · 11-10-2009, 01:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

You dumb sonofabitch, TD, Completion %, and INT #s will be inflated when 5 of your TDs are in garbage time and you always look to check down if the first option is covered.

The guy doesnt have time to check every ****ing receiver because he has exactly no time from the second the ball is snapped to the point where he has to get rid of it.

What the **** do you want him to do? Float on a god damn cloud until one of the DBs trips and falls finally allowing someone to get open?

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Furthermore, those QBs aren't getting garbage time stats b/c they are winning most of their games and thus running the ball late.

Yup... coming into this week 4 of those teams were at 4-3 or worse. ****ing powerhouses there.... no doubt.

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Most importantly, he's 27, and you're comparing him to guys that are 23.

This is his second year starting. Him being 27 does not translate to on the field experience nor does it translate to him leading the football equivalent of the bad news bears.

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If you want a real look at a QB's ability, YPA is the most telling stat, and his is awful

Of course his YPA is awful! His coach is calling ****ing dump offs on 3rd and 19 and he doesnt have time to let his receivers get open. You know that stuff that Charlie and his grandfather drank in Willy Wonka that made them float is fake, right?

Hammock Parties · 11-10-2009, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

You do realize he has inflated stats

I do.

And it will yield much traffic this offseason.

Mecca · 11-10-2009, 01:32 AM

A 27 year old does not get the same margin of error as a rookie, if we're going to treat him that way this is already a loser because by the time he's any good he'll be 32.

11-10-2009, 01:08 AM
pr_capone THREEPEAT!!! Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: NWMO Casino cash: $9948214	Get of Mark Castle's back! First and foremost... I am no Cassel apologist but I am tired of reading posts just bashing Matt left and right. Here are the numbers. And before I get started... ** all this "garbage time" bullshit. EVERY QB in the league has garbage time stats so let's not get too wrapped up in that. It's not like teams have replaced all their starters with 2nd and 3rd stringers at the end of games on us. This is a statistical comparison of current QB's 2nd season as full time starters. Cassel, Ryan, & Flacco's stats are projected numbers of 16 games played in a season. Pay special attention to the TD, INT, and Sack numbers. Completions Cassel - 286 Ryan - 312 Flacco - 366 Brady - 373 McNabb - 285 Rivers - 277 Attempts Cassel - 514 Ryan - 514 Flacco - 564 Brady - 601 McNabb - 493 Rivers - 460 Completion Percentage Cassel - 55.6 Ryan - 60.9 Flacco - 64.9 Brady - 62.1 McNabb - 57.8 Rivers - 60.2 Yards Cassel - 2871 Ryan - 3568 Flacco - 4088 Brady - 3764 McNabb - 3233 Rivers - 3152 TDs Cassel - 23 Ryan - 26 Flacco - 24 Brady - 23 McNabb - 25 Rivers - 21 INTs Cassel - 11 Ryan - 20 Flacco - 14 Brady - 14 McNabb - 12 Rivers - 15 Sacks Cassel - 62 Ryan - 24 Flacco - 32 Brady - 31 McNabb - 39 Rivers - 22 What I get out of the stats. While Cassel could certainly stand to improve his completion percentage and total yardage, he is doing a damn fine job of producing in this **tarded offense. His completion and total yardage stats have been killed due to the fact that the man has zero time to set up and find an open receiver as shown by the sack numbers. I would love to know the number of times each QB was hurried and forced to run but if the sack numbers are any indication, Cassel would nearly double the amount of any of the QB's listed in this comparison. His mobility has likely saved him from another dozen or so sacks at the halfway mark. People dog Cassel for being unable to throw the deep ball. Hopefully that argument was squelched a bit after the long pass to Chambers today whom he hit in stride for a TD. It is amazing what a competent QB can do when he has a bit of time and a receiver with reliable hands & a touch of speed. Lastly, and probably of most importance for a team like the Chiefs who are in transition on both sides of the ball, Cassel takes care of the damn ball while still throwing TD's. Cassel is on pace to throw fewer interceptions than any of the QB's listed in the comparison despite his o-line's inability to keep him on his feet. In fact, he has thrown interceptions in only 2 of his 7 games played so far this season. Oh yeah... and though he has been sacked more than any of the QB's listed he has yet to lose a fumble. I don't know what more you want from the guy. It's not his fault 3/5 of his offensive line would not start on ANY other team in the NFL. Its not his fault that his coach is calling a limp dick game offensively. Its not his fault that his featured RB averaged a whopping 2.7 yards per carry with 0 TDs prior to his suspension and release. Its not his fault his receivers can't get open. Its not his fault he is having to pick himself up off the ground on half the passing plays. I'm not claiming that this guy will be the next Manning, Brees, or Brady. I'm saying this guy COULD be a solid QB for seasons to come if he only had some protection. I like to bitch about the team as much as the next feller but let's bitch about the players that deserved to be bitched about. [/rant]
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'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7209572	You dumb sonofabitch, TD, Completion %, and INT #s will be inflated when 5 of your TDs are in garbage time and you always look to check down if the first option is covered. Furthermore, those QBs aren't getting garbage time stats b/c they are winning most of their games and thus running the ball late. Most importantly, he's 27, and you're comparing him to guys that are 23. If you want a real look at a QB's ability, YPA is the most telling stat, and his is awful He also came nowhere near hitting Chambers in stride you ****ing dipshit. God, just kill yourself. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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