Chiefs Pro Football Talk's Mike Florio takes dead aim at Clark/Pioli

FloridaMan88 · 09-19-2011, 09:53 AM

Close your eyes Clark/Pioli homers... this one will hurt:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ay-to-the-top/

In Kansas City, blame goes all the way to the top

Posted by Mike Florio on September 19, 2011, 11:06 AM EDT

It’s become fashionable — and easy — to point to coach Todd Haley as the man responsible for the Kansas City clusterfudge. But in light of eight quarters of football in which, on average, the Chiefs have been outscored at a rate of more than 11 to less than two, the buck doesn’t stop only on the head coach’s desk.

Sam Mellinger of the Kansas City Star accurately points out at the finger of blame should be pointed higher.

G.M. Scott Pioli hired the coach who suddenly can’t, and to the extent that the acrid smoke of dysfunction currently is billowing from the team’s headquarters, Pioli is the chef who put in ingredients in the vat and began to stir. Michael Silver of Yahoo! Sports reports that the dysfunction between Pioli and Haley could be on the brink of all-out war, if it’s not already there. (And Chiefs fans surely will feel their stomachs continue to turn like cooked pigs on a spit as they process Silver’s prediction that Pioli wants to hire the man who ran the Broncos ship aground in only two seasons.)

As to the on-field employees, it’s Pioli who has spent — or who hasn’t spent — money on making the team better. Though few free-agency spending sprees ever have resulted in immediate success, the fact that, as of August 29, the Chiefs had more than $32 million in cap space suggests that the Chiefs plan to take full advantage of the next two years with no spending minimum, riding the fumes of an unlikely 2010 playoff berth to fill the seats at Arrowhead Stadium, and to stuff the mattresses with cash.

If that’s what’s happening, the oil slick of culpability goes all the way to owner Clark Hunt, who ultimately bears the blame for assembling a work force that has been worked over by two franchises that have no playoff berths between them in more than a decade. The Chiefs are indeed in bad, bad shape right now, and someone needs to rise above petty bickering and turf battles and provide real leadership.

Reerun_KC · 09-19-2011, 09:54 AM

someone just ejaculated on their screen and keyboard...

BTW, what to all of a sudden show up after taking last year off...

**Dartgod** · 09-19-2011, 10:03 AM

There's nothing in that article that hasn't already been suggested by the members of this forum.
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Jack · 09-19-2011, 10:07 AM

Truth is brutal and never sympathetic. . .

Ace Gunner · 09-19-2011, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Dartgod

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ya, but you know how it isn't 'valid' forum argument to use against the clueless majority until it's published.

Mr. Laz · 09-19-2011, 10:15 AM

Pioli hired Haley traded for Cassel and then decided to not acquire a QBoTF. He's also decided to not spend in free agency.

He will be judged by how it turns out.

track · 09-19-2011, 10:15 AM

It's good to hear people put the blame on the entire organization. This isn't just a head coach problem or a QB problem....the poor draft results and the failure to spend money to keep guys like SS and to bring in more talent falls on Pioli and Hunt. The Head coach and the QB failures fall directly on Pioli....and his failure falls on Hunt.

TEX · 09-19-2011, 10:16 AM

I don't care about acquiring BIG name free agents as that has been proven not to work more than it has in the past. However, I do feel that $32 MILLION can buy a team a LOT of quality DEPTH. This past offseason, for whatvere reason, th Chiefs did not take the necessary steps to stay in tune with thier on-field sucess of last season. In other words - they got there (playoffs) but their moves were not that of a team that intended to do whatever it needed to do in order to stay there and advance.

keg in kc · 09-19-2011, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88

Close your eyes Clark/Pioli homers... this one will hurt:

You know, this is something I've never quite gotten a handle on. Why can't people just discuss shit without taking shots at each other?

vailpass · 09-19-2011, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

You know, this is something I've never quite gotten a handle on. Why can't people just discuss shit without taking shots at each other?

**** you!

Molitoth · 09-19-2011, 10:23 AM

I think it's fine that Pioli brought in Cassel for this franchise originally. Hell, nobody knew what Cassel's ceiling was, but obviously after watching him play the last couple years, he HAS to realize that Cassel is NOT a good QB and he made a mistake. Even with a weak schedule, a good amount of momentum, and a good amount of skilled players playing for the Chiefs, Cassel was still a really bad QB last year. I'm glad Pioli drafted Stanzi in the draft, and I understand that he may not be ready to play. We are going to have to just face the facts that this season is a rebuild, (expecially with Charles, Berry, and Moeaki out).... but next season, Stanzi better be ready to play.

track · 09-19-2011, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by vailpass

**** you!

LOL

KCUnited · 09-19-2011, 10:26 AM

Outstanding. Turn the heat up. Teams shouldn't lose by 40 in the NFL. Everyone needs to feel the heat.

**luv** · 09-19-2011, 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keg in kc

You know, this is something I've never quite gotten a handle on. Why can't people just discuss shit without taking shots at each other?

Don't judge everyone by the OP. He calls everyone out for everything. I'm thinking inferiority complex? People like that take the offensive before getting attacked.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 09-19-2011, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Molitoth

I think it's fine that Pioli brought in Cassel for this franchise originally. Hell, nobody knew what Cassel's ceiling was, but obviously after watching him play the last couple years, he HAS to realize that Cassel is NOT a good QB and he made a mistake. Even with a weak schedule, a good amount of momentum, and a good amount of skilled players playing for the Chiefs, Cassel was still a really bad QB last year. I'm glad Pioli drafted Stanzi in the draft, and I understand that he may not be ready to play. We are going to have to just face the facts that this season is a rebuild, (expecially with Charles, Berry, and Moeaki out).... but next season, Stanzi better be ready to play.

Shouldn't the guy who saw him every day in practice for four years and a full season as a starting QB have a pretty good gauge as to what his ceiling was?

If you can whiff that astoundingly on a QB who you've seen practice and play every day for four years, what QB selection can't you whiff on?

09-19-2011, 09:53 AM
FloridaMan88 Mahomes: We Are All Witnesses Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Miami, FL Casino cash: $-537094	Pro Football Talk's Mike Florio takes dead aim at Clark/Pioli Close your eyes Clark/Pioli homers... this one will hurt: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ay-to-the-top/ In Kansas City, blame goes all the way to the top Posted by Mike Florio on September 19, 2011, 11:06 AM EDT It’s become fashionable — and easy — to point to coach Todd Haley as the man responsible for the Kansas City clusterfudge. But in light of eight quarters of football in which, on average, the Chiefs have been outscored at a rate of more than 11 to less than two, the buck doesn’t stop only on the head coach’s desk. Sam Mellinger of the Kansas City Star accurately points out at the finger of blame should be pointed higher. G.M. Scott Pioli hired the coach who suddenly can’t, and to the extent that the acrid smoke of dysfunction currently is billowing from the team’s headquarters, Pioli is the chef who put in ingredients in the vat and began to stir. Michael Silver of Yahoo! Sports reports that the dysfunction between Pioli and Haley could be on the brink of all-out war, if it’s not already there. (And Chiefs fans surely will feel their stomachs continue to turn like cooked pigs on a spit as they process Silver’s prediction that Pioli wants to hire the man who ran the Broncos ship aground in only two seasons.) As to the on-field employees, it’s Pioli who has spent — or who hasn’t spent — money on making the team better. Though few free-agency spending sprees ever have resulted in immediate success, the fact that, as of August 29, the Chiefs had more than $32 million in cap space suggests that the Chiefs plan to take full advantage of the next two years with no spending minimum, riding the fumes of an unlikely 2010 playoff berth to fill the seats at Arrowhead Stadium, and to stuff the mattresses with cash. If that’s what’s happening, the oil slick of culpability goes all the way to owner Clark Hunt, who ultimately bears the blame for assembling a work force that has been worked over by two franchises that have no playoff berths between them in more than a decade. The Chiefs are indeed in bad, bad shape right now, and someone needs to rise above petty bickering and turf battles and provide real leadership.
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track Starter Join Date: Oct 2009 Casino cash: $9991431	It's good to hear people put the blame on the entire organization. This isn't just a head coach problem or a QB problem....the poor draft results and the failure to spend money to keep guys like SS and to bring in more talent falls on Pioli and Hunt. The Head coach and the QB failures fall directly on Pioli....and his failure falls on Hunt.
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TEX Out Gunning CP's Fandom Police Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Galveston, TX Casino cash: $-1236873	I don't care about acquiring BIG name free agents as that has been proven not to work more than it has in the past. However, I do feel that $32 MILLION can buy a team a LOT of quality DEPTH. This past offseason, for whatvere reason, th Chiefs did not take the necessary steps to stay in tune with thier on-field sucess of last season. In other words - they got there (playoffs) but their moves were not that of a team that intended to do whatever it needed to do in order to stay there and advance. __________________ "Do we have time to run WASP?" Last edited by TEX; 09-19-2011 at 10:45 AM..
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Molitoth Mahomes Fanboi Join Date: Apr 2004 Casino cash: $244969	I think it's fine that Pioli brought in Cassel for this franchise originally. Hell, nobody knew what Cassel's ceiling was, but obviously after watching him play the last couple years, he HAS to realize that Cassel is NOT a good QB and he made a mistake. Even with a weak schedule, a good amount of momentum, and a good amount of skilled players playing for the Chiefs, Cassel was still a really bad QB last year. I'm glad Pioli drafted Stanzi in the draft, and I understand that he may not be ready to play. We are going to have to just face the facts that this season is a rebuild, (expecially with Charles, Berry, and Moeaki out).... but next season, Stanzi better be ready to play.
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