Football Trade Deadline

O.city · 08:59 AM

With their now being that extra WC spot and everyone being bunched up, there's gonna be alot of executives deluding themselves into thinking they have a shot.

Even with that said, I've never understood why more teams don't sell. Take the Raiders for instance and Josh Jacobs. He's clearly going elsewhere this offseason, so they probably think they could get a 3rd round comp pick. If the Saints beat them this weekend, why wouldn't you try to move him?

The Saints should trade anything that's not bolted down at this point, but I digress.

I know teams don't like to shit on their fanbase and sell because of tickets and blah blah blah.

Why dont' more teams sell though?

**The Franchise** · 10-26-2022, 08:49 AM

Just depends on how far into the contract the coach or GM is. If you're at the end....you aren't trying to tear everything down. You're trying to save your job.

O.city · 10-26-2022, 08:50 AM

I hadn't thought thru that much, but you're right. You'd need some assurances from the owner first.

Chris Meck · 10-26-2022, 08:57 AM

deluding.

O.city · 10-26-2022, 08:59 AM

Ah yes, thanks.

DJ's left nut · 10-26-2022, 09:01 AM

To some extent it's a lack of teams looking to buy, IMO.

But I agree that there should be more trades at certain positions. I would think DL and RB should be positions that can hit the ground running pretty quickly.

**wazu** · 10-26-2022, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise

Just depends on how far into the contract the coach or GM is. If you're at the end....you aren't trying to tear everything down. You're trying to save your job.

This is the unfortunate cycle for many teams. People within the organization have different priorities. Very few GMs/coaches have the job security to truly sign on for a rebuild. So they just paste together some team that can finish above .500 and save their job(s) for another year.

A few years ago the Browns GM went all-in on tank mode, accumulated a ton of picks, and they rebuilt that team with a ton of young talent. It was obvious that it was a plan that was agreed upon by ownership. But then they fired the GM anyway, shortly before the team took a gigantic leap forward.

Direckshun · 10-26-2022, 09:07 AM

You have to have to believe the owner (or other executive above you) will give you the time you need to rebuild and develop.

I simply don't think most franchises have that.

What teams out there can you say are (a.) hopeless, and (b.) have a person in charge who will patiently allow the coach/GM to trade off parts of the house in order to build and develop a new one?

Patriots with Belichick
Steelers with Tomlin
Jags with Peterson
maaaaaaybe Dennis Allen with the Saints, maybe.

End of list.

O.city · 10-26-2022, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

To some extent it's a lack of teams looking to buy, IMO.

But I agree that there should be more trades at certain positions. I would think DL and RB should be positions that can hit the ground running pretty quickly.

I get not trading for a Qb.

But outside that, I'd think you should be able to ease a guy in.

**The Franchise** · 10-26-2022, 09:09 AM

Plus I don't know of a ton of owners out there that are going to be okay with admitting that they're in a fire sale or rebuild year. Their goal is to keep as much talent as possible until they can find those one or two pieces to push them over the top.

O.city · 10-26-2022, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

You have to have to believe the owner (or other executive above you) will give you the time you need to rebuild and develop.

I simply don't think most franchises have that.

What teams out there can you say are (a.) hopeless, and (b.) have a person in charge who will patiently allow the coach/GM to trade off parts of the house in order to build and develop a new one?

Patriots with Belichick
Steelers with Tomlin
Jags with Peterson
maaaaaaybe Dennis Allen with the Saints, maybe.

End of list.

This is probably true, but even still is crazy. Owners who are usually very intelligent wealthy people, just look short sighted when doing it this way.

Look at the Broncos. There's no reason they shouldn't atleast trade Chubb. He's not re signing there and they need picks to recoup the Wilson trade.

lcarus · 10-26-2022, 09:18 AM

Reports now are saying the Browns want a 4th round pick for Kareem Hunt.

htismaqe · 10-26-2022, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by lcarus

Reports now are saying the Browns want a 4th round pick for Kareem Hunt.

His cap hit is pretty low too. I would imagine he's going to get traded given those numbers.

**wazu** · 10-26-2022, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

You have to have to believe the owner (or other executive above you) will give you the time you need to rebuild and develop.

I simply don't think most franchises have that.

What teams out there can you say are (a.) hopeless, and (b.) have a person in charge who will patiently allow the coach/GM to trade off parts of the house in order to build and develop a new one?

Patriots with Belichick
Steelers with Tomlin
Jags with Peterson
maaaaaaybe Dennis Allen with the Saints, maybe.

End of list.

Should the Colts be added to the list? Could be wrong, but seems like Ballard and even Reich have a pretty long leash. Reich benching Matt Ryan forever after this last weekend's game indicates a guy that makes decisions that aren't based on fear.

lcarus · 10-26-2022, 09:22 AM

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His cap hit is pretty low too. I would imagine he's going to get traded given those numbers.

I would love it if we gave up a 4th to get him back. It would increase our chances of winning the Super Bowl enough to justify it without question.

I don't see it happening though given the history. Clark Hunt stated he would never play for the Kansas City Chiefs again so I can't see him going back on that. He could change his mind after so many years but it's not likely.

10-26-2022, 08:47 AM
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-625936	Trade Deadline With their now being that extra WC spot and everyone being bunched up, there's gonna be alot of executives deluding themselves into thinking they have a shot. Even with that said, I've never understood why more teams don't sell. Take the Raiders for instance and Josh Jacobs. He's clearly going elsewhere this offseason, so they probably think they could get a 3rd round comp pick. If the Saints beat them this weekend, why wouldn't you try to move him? The Saints should trade anything that's not bolted down at this point, but I digress. I know teams don't like to shit on their fanbase and sell because of tickets and blah blah blah. Why dont' more teams sell though? Last edited by O.city; 10-26-2022 at 08:59 AM..
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Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2053447	You have to have to believe the owner (or other executive above you) will give you the time you need to rebuild and develop. I simply don't think most franchises have that. What teams out there can you say are (a.) hopeless, and (b.) have a person in charge who will patiently allow the coach/GM to trade off parts of the house in order to build and develop a new one? Patriots with Belichick Steelers with Tomlin Jags with Peterson maaaaaaybe Dennis Allen with the Saints, maybe. End of list.
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10-26-2022, 09:09 AM	#10
The Franchise Most Valuable Villain Join Date: Dec 2006 Casino cash: $2065047	Plus I don't know of a ton of owners out there that are going to be okay with admitting that they're in a fire sale or rebuild year. Their goal is to keep as much talent as possible until they can find those one or two pieces to push them over the top.
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10-26-2022, 09:18 AM	#12
lcarus Everybody Lies. Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: 22 Acacia Avenue Casino cash: $-1839887	Reports now are saying the Browns want a 4th round pick for Kareem Hunt.
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